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"We won't be taken to camps!" demand Arab refugees. Your thoughts?
Background:
There has been a two-day standoff with [mainly] Syrian refugees at Hungary -- they refuse to board trains lest they be taken to refugee camps:
(1) http://goo.gl/hOMqT7 "Behind the riot police 100+ refugees have been corralled. Say they won't be taken to camps."
(2) http://goo.gl/iCgQea "Man and wife with tiny baby throw themselves onto track demanding not to be taken to camps."
Now, this begets a question:
These same people --the Arab nations-- have been preventing Palestinian refugees from settling outside refugee camps, for decades. But they themselves --the non-Palestinians-- don't want to go through refugee camps. Why is that? Why two sets of rules? Why is it imperative that only "Palestinians" be settled, indefinitely, in refugee camps whereas other types of Arabs must not even see a refugee camp?
(@Lord Ehrlichmann: I can't comment on your "answer" because you're blocking me. Don't you think this is ungentlemanly of you?)
@H: Thank you for the answer. It has certainly helped me to find one missing piece in the puzzle: it turns out that Germany has been publishing advertisements inviting asylum seekers / refugees to come to Germany, where they get free services and money. They aren't put in refugee camps. [...]
[...] It seems that the human traffickers' promise, of a country where 'milk and honey flows', isn't altogether unsubstantiated.
I can certainly understand the refugees' behavior now. Heck, I'd consider "refuging" into Germany myself ;-)
Interestingly, this "missing piece" of the puzzle, concerning Germany, wasn't quite mentioned in any of the popular articles describing the crisis.
6 Answers
- ?Lv 76 years agoFavorite Answer
There aren't 2 sets of rules. Regarding the Dublin agreement, every refugee has to register in the first European country he/she arrives. Last week Hungary let refugees leave Hungary without registration which violates EU law.
Human traffickers tell people that Germany is a country where "milk and honey flows". Thousands of people pay a fortune to these human traffickers to go on a risky journey. Arriving in Europe, they don't want to end up in any refugee camp of a safe but "poor" European country.
Bottom line, Syrian refugees don't mind refugee camps, but they demand to stay at a refugee camp in a country of their choice and not in any "poor" country,
Today the Hungarian PM offended the EU by saying that the refugee problem isn't an European problem but a German problem only, because Germany send signals that refugees are welcome. But - Hungary has to register the refugees first regarding the Dublin agreement. Guess refugees don't know about EU rules.
edit: you are wrong. Also in Germany refugees have to stay in refugee camps, the so called Erstaufnahmelager. This can be buildings, containers or tents. If I am not mistaking, a refugee in Germany receives EUR 174 pocket money monthly which isn't the case in other EU countries. The "lifestyle" of a refugee in Germany is better than in other EU countries beside the Nordic countries, e.g. Sweden, Norway, etc.
- Alex GLv 46 years ago
Because the West destroyed their countries ("Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, etc.) by attacking them and sending religious nuts and terrorists to completely destroy those societies - so the West should be decent enough to at least accept the resulting refugees.
Palestine was destroyed by Israel, so 11 million Palestinian Christians and Muslims have been made stateless. It is Israel's responsibility, so why should poor neighboring Arab counties pay to price? Additionally, if allowed to integrate into surrounding countries, Israel will get away with what it did - conquer a whole country and ethnically cleanse it of its people - and nobody in the world wants to see Israel get away with that.
- saggiLv 76 years ago
If you're a refugee, you belong in a refugee camp, period
You don't walk around the big city or any small town dressed all fancy and rent an apartment like some middle class wannabe and take the jobs that citizens need.
- 6 years ago
Syrians are not Arabs to start with.
I am pretty sure that the Syrians made refugees by the Israeli / US sponsored terrorist groups are not the same people who decided what rights the Palestinians who were brutally ethnically-cleansed by the Zionists were given so your question is meaningless.
Zionism is now and has been the problem in the Middle East for over 100 years.
The Zionists who run Israel (and the US Congress) refuse to allow the Palestinian refugees in Israel to return to their homes so no Zionist has the right to at one time comment on any other refugees in the world and at the same time not claim to be a common corn-breaded hypocrite.
Many experts claim that Zionism is ruining the United States.
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- ?Lv 76 years ago
Your question: " "We won't be taken to camps!" demand Arab refugees. Your thoughts? Background:
There has been a two-day standoff with [mainly] Syrian refugees at Hungary -- they refuse to board trains lest they be taken to refugee camps: (1) http://goo.gl/hOMqT7 "Behind the riot police 100+ refugees have been corralled. Say they won't be taken to camps." (2) http://goo.gl/iCgQea "Man and wife with tiny baby throw themselves onto track demanding not to be taken to camps." Now, this begets a question: These same people --the Arab nations-- have been preventing Palestinian refugees from settling outside refugee camps, for decades. But they themselves --the non-Palestinians-- don't want to go through refugee camps. Why is that? Why two sets of rules? Why is it imperative that only "Palestinians" be settled, indefinitely, in refugee camps whereas other types of Arabs must not even see a refugee camp?"
I think that you are unable to form a cogent argument.
Your overall effect is as if you are asking, "Do you see what I'm saying?"
"(do you) know/see what I'm saying?› informal (also if you know/see what I'm saying) used to ask if someone understands or agrees with you, especially if you have not expressed yourself very clearly: It's just the best feeling, know what I'm saying? You have to do the job back-to-front, if you see what I'm saying."
• http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/engl...
It is difficult for me to believe that you are not attempting to convince readers of something, but exactly what that might be remains a mystery. You have asked only one question: Why are not Arab governments near Israel inviting Palestinians to become permanent residents in the neighboring countries?
You somehow link this to the desires and demands of mostly Syrians escaping sectarian relgioius war in Syria to go to Hungary. Notable by its absence in your text is any cognizance of the many other countries and ethnic groups represented by mass illegal immigration to Europe--people seeking to escape Islamic violence--seeking legalized status and favoritism.
Keeping with your theme, are you also convinced that Palestinians want to go live in Syria?
You should address your question to Hamas and Bashar al-Assad.
They are the ones who can effect the migration of Palestinians to Syria.
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Symbolic Logic
"1.WHAT IS LOGIC?"
• http://fitelson.org/109/basic_concepts.pdf
How to Think vs. What to Think: A good thing to know when considering the broader implications of human history, popular culture, infotainment, and various political appeals.
• Critical thinking (sometimes called critical reasoning) is the set of skills and knowledge required to determine if claims are true, false, or indeterminate possibly due to insufficient data.
• One half of critical thinking is a broad range of relevant knowledge.
• The other half of critical thinking is formal logic, which by itself sans relevant knowledge is worse than useless except for math and games, perhaps. (That is because logic is not necessarily based on the real world and unreal claims can be logically analyzed just as readily as realistic claims.)
The limitations of knowledge or the fallibility of one’s own mind is not at all obvious to many of us, I am sure. It is extremely difficult to evaluate culturally acquired claims sans rational cognitive schemas. Those sorts of schemas do not naturally develop in one’s mind simply by growing older and are not commonly taught in K-12 schools.
Critical thinking can only develop by learning underlying principles, acquiring a broad array of relevant knowledge, and by practice applying critique to claims.
See "A Practical Guide to Critical Thinking" by Greg R. Haskins at this link:
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List of fallacies to recognize and avoid: