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Jehovah's Witnesses is Jesus the equal of the perfect man Adam?
What I am asking is the sacrifice that Jesus made could not be any more or less than the price of a perfect man to assure that the balance was equal, would that be an accurate statement?
Romans 5:15-17 15 But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.
17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!
Example: Let's says that your beloved family puppy is dog-napped. The captors demand $10,000 in exchange for the puppy. The puppy is not worth $10,000 but you decide to pay the $10,000 ransom price because you really love your puppy and want him back. Your sacrifice of $10,000 is far greater then the value of the animal, yet because of your great love for your puppy, you pay the ransom. The price you paid tips the scale when measured by the value of what was bought.
It doesn't have to be equal. In the same way, God's love for us far outweighs our value. The sacrifice of His precious Son was a price that the Father was willing to pay not because we are worth it, or because our value equals the value of His Son's life, but because he loves us greatly and is willing to give His best in order to redeem us back into his family.
Genesis 1:31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
Very good does not equate with perfect. Good is a little lower then very good and very good is lower then perfect. And this is God say his creation was very good. God telling us that Adam was very good. We know that Jesus was perfect but it's the JW's that tell us that so was Adam and that he is equivalent to Jesus. God would disagree and did!
PV- Your mistaken if you believe that my update 4 contradicts my other updates. They are very much in harmoney. Maybe you should just reread them. It demonstrates that they do not have to be equal. And no God did not die but the man of Jesus died. “No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again” (John 10:18). God the Son sacrificed Himself to God the Father and thereby fulfilled all the requirements of the Law.
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- Anonymous5 years agoFavorite Answer
Former Jehovah's Witness here. What Jesus sacrificed is unequaled in human history.
Jesus wasn’t merely human. If He were, then His sacrifice would have also been a temporary one because one human life couldn’t possibly cover the sins of the multitudes who ever existed. Neither could one finite human life atone for sin against an infinite God. The only viable sacrifice must be an infinite one, which means only God Himself could atone for the sins of mankind. Only God Himself, an infinite Being, could pay the penalty owed to Himself. This is why God had to become a Man and dwell among men (John 1:14). No other sacrifice would suffice.
It is also important to understand that God didn’t sacrifice Jesus. Rather, Jesus, as God incarnate, sacrificed Himself. No one forced Him. He laid down His life willingly, as He made clear speaking about His life: “No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again” (John 10:18). God the Son sacrificed Himself to God the Father and thereby fulfilled all the requirements of the Law. Unlike the temporary sacrifices, Jesus’ once-for-all-time sacrifice was followed by His resurrection. He laid down His life and took it up again, thereby providing eternal life for all who would ever believe in Him and accept His sacrifice for their sins. He did this out of love for the Father and for all those the Father has given Him (John 6:37–40).
Jesus did not die simply to atone for the sin of Adam. He who was without sin, took upon himself the sin of the world, once and for all time, so that sinful humanity could be restored to relationship with his creator. No animal, no mere mortal, no angel, not even an archangel could achieve that.
Jesus, as the eternal and uncreated Word of God, is vastly superior to Adam. Jesus was not merely a perfect man, who could have sinned (like Adam), as Jehovah's Witnesses claim. Jesus was God incarnate, not just a perfect man. Until Jehovah's Witnesses acknowledge who Jesus Christ REALLY is, they will never understand why they must ALL be born again, enter into the new covenant and have Christ Jesus as their medaitor.
- ?Lv 55 years ago
Not by a long shot. Jesus is far superior.... Adam's sin, brought the nature of sin on the heads of ALL of humanity. The atoneing sacrifice would have to take away the penalty for this massive failing. What mere 'perfect man' could do that? Because of the sinful nature, no "man" can be perfect to begin with. Otherwise any ol' average joe could've atoned for the sins of mankind. Had Jesus been a man, even a really good one, he still would have had the sin nature and therefore would have needed a Savior just as much as the people he was supposed to be saving. The scriptures you mention help illustrate that.
- 5 years ago
A perfect human life was given (Jesus) as a corresponding ransom because Adam by his disobedience gave up his perfect life. So in effect, Jesus bought back for us what Adam lost, eternal life.
Your update 4 contradicts your other updates.
If, as you believe, Jesus is God, then the payment of God's life (which is impossible anyway because God cannot die) would be too great a price to pay to buy back eternal life for us. The ransom would not be corresponding.
Edit....
Once again BG you show that you are not interested in our answers, which is a contradiction of what this site is all about. Of course, God's love is greater than our value, that is certain, but that is not the subject here. The subject is why Jesus came & died as a perfect human for us, and 1 Timothy 2:6,7 tells us exactly why.
The Greek word there translated 'ransom' is ἀντίλυτρον (antilutron) which means a ransom corresponding. It is the true God who decided the corresponding ransom so who are you to say it doesn't correspond?
Edit in response to your update 6...
You are evidently blatantly adding to God's word the Bible.
Nowhere in the entire Bible does it say or imply "God the Son." Not does it state that Jesus is "fully human and fully God" (your words)
May I remind you of the words of Revelation 22:18 which says: "I am bearing witness to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll"
Also, you need to look up the word "corresponding"
- spiderLv 65 years ago
Long story short a perfect life in exchange for a perfect life. Obviously Jehovah felt we were worth the sacrifice He and His Son went through with it. Philippians 3:7 says: He (meaning Jesus) emptied himself and took a slaves form and became human. Once he took on human form he became equal to the man Adam Jehovah created.
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- OttoLv 75 years ago
Jesus was a perfect human just like Adam. He could therefore sacrifice his perfect human life to pay for Adam's sin. this is what the Bible refers to as the ransom."
Adams children could thus be reliesed from condemnation to death.
All who put their faith in Jesus can have their sins forgiven and recieve everlasting life. - 1 Tim.2:5,6;John 3:16.
Source(s): Bible - 5 years ago
YES IT WAS & HE IS ! Here is stated that equality to serve as a ransom for mankind:
(1 Corinthians 15:44-49) “. . . 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 However, what is spiritual is not first. What is physical is first, and afterward what is spiritual. 47 The first man is from the earth and made of dust; the second man is from heaven. 48 Like the one made of dust, so 1too are those made of dust; and like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we will bear also the image of the heavenly one.”
My witness bros. & sis! have expressed it accurately as above!
- ?Lv 65 years ago
The Law stipulated that sacrifices are to be unblemished, sound in every respect without any physical defects. This presents a problem for those who claim that Jesus was a perfect sacrifice corresponding with Adam. How so?
Jesus was circumcised but Adam was not! Circumcision involves removing a part of the body. It may not be much, but it's still a removal of part of the body and it would have meant that Jesus was not fully whole as Adam was.
That relatively small physical difference would have also meant that Jesus was not tested in all respects to the same degree as Adam and other uncircumcised men are. Circumcision makes masturbation relatively more difficult and less convenient. JWs consider masturbation as a sin. So the fact that Jesus was circumcised means that the ease with which he could have masturbated and hence the temptation to masturbate would have been less for him than it was for Adam and other uncircumcised men.
So that small physical difference means that Jesus was not a truly sound and whole offering and it also means that he was not tested with respect to sexual immorality, to the same extent as Adam would have been.
- laidawestbrook2Lv 65 years ago
Yes.
1 Corinthians 15:22
22 For just as in Adam all are dying,+ so also in the Christ all will be made alive.+
1 Corinthians 15:45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.”* The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
- Anonymous5 years ago
definition:adjective 1. identical in all essentials or respects:
corresponding fingerprints.2.to be similar or analogous; be equivalent in function, position, amount
One scriptures answers your question.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all—this is what is to be witnessed to in its own due time.
(Acts 4:12) Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.”
(Romans 5:15) But the gift is not like the trespass. For if by one man’s trespass many died, how much more did the undeserved kindness of God and his free gift by the undeserved kindness of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound to many!
(2 Timothy 1:9, 10) He saved us and called us with a holy calling, not because of our works, but because of his own purpose and undeserved kindness. This was given to us in connection with Christ Jesus before times long ago, 10 but now it has been made clearly evident through the manifestation of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has abolished death and has shed light on life and incorruption through the good news,
- StephLv 75 years ago
If Jesus were "just" a man, equal to Adam, perfect man for perfect man....Jesus' death would only cover Adam rather than being once for all. That's why it is so important that Jesus is God incarnate. Jesus is not equal to Adam. At all.