Can your physician give you a referral without actually having to see you? (Province of Ontario)?

I think this Docter knows just how nasty he has been to you, so he is making it very hard for you to move forward in time, with a new doctor, or a doctor whom you already know, or one whom your friends know. Why not pick an M.D. you know has a good reputation, and go to him or her without the records, and tell her about what you have endured from this snotty jerk? Then it would be easy for the new Doctor to request a transfer of medical records. This happened to me. But the Doctor who I left refused to forward my files to my new Doctor, so my new Doctor was able to take care of me, none the less. Where there is a will, there is a way! Journey on my friend!

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Hi,

I am going to give a long answer/rant. Somewhere inside will be your answer, I am bored.....

I work with women in the USA (Midwest) who have many of your symptoms: BPD, C-PTSD;PTSD, BD(BipolarDisorder) and co-occuring symptoms: MDD (major depression), pain, sickness, social phobia, severe anxiety disorder & more.

Canada is kind of small, right - not geographically but population as a whole. The problem is "up there" you lack qualified doctors. The majority of them come to the USA for the pay increases. The problem with mental healthcare and health is they are profit centric, not patient focused. This is 100x more true with mental health.

Are you a woman? It is more difficult for women. Symptoms are more intense/severe. I am not a feminist. But even 2019 in north america 'we' are less likely to take women seriously and many times more likely to medicate them, push them away and just label them as insane/crazy. Female patients are commonly abused in treatment too: https://academic.oup.com/shm/article/31/4/732/5166...

If you are a male, its hard. Just different... I am not a feminist just not dumb, I understand it is harder for some.

You already clearly indicated you understand this. In 2019 doctors/therapists are underpaid in most places. And overworked in most others. Many are very abusive (emotionally & other). Many want nothing more than to go home and get you out of their office as soon as possible. It has taken about 100 years to get here but now pharmaceuticals control mental health care and have a good grip on the rest. As you probably know the meds are very toxic too. "Praise god & pass the pills, sent the patient the bills. Keep them crawling back". Doctors went to school for 5-8 + years. Even if well intentioned they do the things that make them the most money. So even the great ones are caught up in a bad system. Misdiagnoses or just lack of resources, we spend it on war or helping rich people get richer. It all makes anyone "sick" (mad).

They want to give you endless supplies of pills to keep you coming back (addicted). Then give you more pills for those symptoms (profit). Often poor/"poorer" people (low income) are exploited too or their care is just a joke.

No you absolutely can not get a referral in most cases without the DR actually seeing you. The more times you step in their office, the more they bill for. It is how insurance works in North America. The whole point of this while there are some amazing people. Generally speaking the "system" is set up to work against you. The hospital you mention might be a bit better but it is going to be a lot of the same. If sick (mental/physical) people got healthy or required less care the Doctors, therapists, pharmacy executives, attorneys and politicians would have fewer ways to stay rich - so people stay sick.

When they see you they bill for a lot more in Ontario. The longer the office visit the better. They won't see you too often though - can't be bothered with that. Often a holistic self-guided approach is best.

There is an absolute link to pain & mental health:

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/dep...

Back pain too:

http://www.thespinehealthinstitute.com/news-room/h...

Now those are 'popularized articles'. Meaning written for the public. It is not regular depression that does that. MDD (Major Depressive Disorder) often with one of the above things I initially mentioned. So, it is not strange they can't find the exact cause. I am not saying it is in your head or imagined. It is real and symptoms/pain are made worse.

I'd say fu*k this doctor. Talk to them one last time. Start educating yourself. Get a referral (in person) even if it takes a few months then work on self driven/guided treatments (CBT, DBT, ET.....)

Something in there should have helped a bit.

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Here's my response -- my doctor won't do that. She will waste my time and make me come see her for an appointment first, because my insurance requires that i see her first. It's ridiculous

simply call and ask, rather than speculate

i think your doctor might have to see you