What do you think about Old-Earth Creationism?

As I see it, both the evidence from nature and the internal evidence found in the Bible support the “Old-earth” view.

Only by interpreting the genealogies of Genesis WITH a particular group of constraints, as was done by Bishop James Ussher in the mid 1600s, can one arrive at the YEC view.

I also /know/ that the YEC view puts unnecessary stumbling blocks between people and the Gospel of Christ.

BTW, I also take Genesis as being an accurate account and not simply poetic or metaphorical.

Like the atheist, this day-age theorist Hugh Ross knows how to create confusion when he becomes the arbiter of truth over the Bible.

If the earth is billions of years old why do comets disintegrate too quickly (and why is their no physical evidence for the Oort cloud?). Why hasn't the rate of the decay of the Earth's magnetic field melted the earth? How is it that red blood cells and hemoglobin have been found in unfossilized dinosaur bone? Why do galaxies wind themselves up too fast for an old earth scenario? Why is there not enough mud on the sea floor to harmonize with old earth theories? Why is there not enough helium in the atmosphere and too much in the rocks? Why is the Moon still active but supposedly dead 3 billions years ago? Do you have the scientific credentials to answer these problems with the old earth theory?

Evolutionists typically date the fossils from the rocks, and then date the rocks from the fossils! All based on uniformitarian *assumptions* that the world is billions of years old.

The fact that fossils exist in vast numbers is testimony to the Global Flood. But of course some people dismiss that idea, not on scientific grounds, but on religious (atheistic) grounds.

Many people have come up with dates for creation, such as James Ussher (4004 BC), Johannes Kepler (3992 BC), Gerhard Hasel (4178 BC), and Isaac Newton (~4000 BC).

If Genesis is not real literal history, how can one know where the truth actually does begin in Scripture? Which page number do you start reading literally; which pages do you leave out? You would have to be more intelligent than God.

The problems with age dating and historical science are many, and presuppositions abound, and would be a lot more believable if science would be more open and honest about their starting point.

You must assume the secular “old-earth” assumptions of uniformitarianism and naturalism in order to “prove” that the earth is old. This circular logic may be due to the fact that many old-earth supporters are not aware of their own starting assumptions. If you start with the wrong assumptions, you are certainly, not maybe, certainly will get the wrong answer.

I have no respect for many evolutionists who apparently can parrot the patent anti-Creationist nonsense from propaganda web sites and not provide a coherent case for evolution. This also shows lazy scholarship and I have little respect for one who lets somebody else do their thinking for them, Pope or no.

It is utterly inconsistent to claim to be a follower of Christ and at the same time deny His teachings. If your theism is one which gets its knowledge of God’s actions and purposes from a literal reading of the Bible, you have a conflict. You cannot accept Genesis literally and evolution. That is a fact (Ruse 2007, p. 15).

If, as some assert, the clergymen who accepted evolutionary theory were driven to it by fear of ridicule, or of not being thought abreast of “the trend of modern thought,” it was not only cowardly on their part, but grossly inconsistent with their Christian profession.

If sin is just a metaphor then there is no need for a real savior is there?

This is why so called Christians who assert Adam and Eve are just metaphors so they don't 'look stoopid' to their atheist buddies demonstrate they are even more idiotic than the atheists they are trying to curry favor with.

If you are going to claim creationism in any form, you have to have a creator. There is no evidence for a creator. Even if there were, you have to explain where the creator came from. If the creator was always there, why could not the singularity from which space and time expanded at the Big Bang have been always there?

Science doesn't know and has no hesitation in saying "we don't know". That leads to more science. Saying "we don't know therefore god" leads nowhere. Once you believe it was all done by gods, there is no room for further study unless you are prepared to diminish or reject your particular gods.

Why let others dictate to you what you should think?

Why didn’t you just ask God instead of doing what you’re not supposed to do; leaning on your own understanding?

Haven’t you read “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.”?

He created everything

then He called the things that he had made into being, during the increments of darkness and light He called ‘days’.

Please ASK Him for wisdom... don’t just make sh!t up thereby making the Lord out to be a liar.

yeah, 2nd Peter ' King James Bible.....

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.' .......AND the war in heaven the catabo, ended about 14,000yrs ago.......

Genesis says that it was a night and a day, and that was day one. Day two, same thing. Day three, same thing. And so on.

So it is young earth. "Old earth" is unbiblical and is a lie from the devil.

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Nobody can be good enough to avoid hell. The truth is that death leads to immediate heaven or hell, depending only on whether the person believed in Jesus for eternal life, or not.

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The truth is that Jesus loves you and wants to bless your life freely :) Most of all, Jesus wants you with Him forever, and not in hell. The truth is that every belief except one will lead to eternal torment in the lake of fire for every person. Because nothing pays for our sins except the death and blood of Jesus, the sacrifice of Jesus that is already accomplished by Him . Jesus loves you! The truth is that Jesus is God, and Jesus died on the cross to pay for all of our sins in full, and then Jesus resurrected from the dead. Nothing else pays for our sins, not works, not deeds, not religions. So the only way to heaven and to avoid hell, is by believing in Jesus for eternal life (John 6:47), without adding any of your own works (Romans 4:5). Believe in Jesus to take you to heaven, and you will be in heaven, no matter what, guaranteed. That easy, thanks to Jesus! Tell Jesus that you thank Him that you will be with Him in heaven when you die, because you believe in Jesus! It is too late to be saved, after death

And additionally, in Exodus 20:11, the word "day" is repeated. And when that occurs the meaning remains consistent within a particular context. Notice the length of the "Sabbath Day". How long is the "Sabbath Day" throughout history? But of course, suit yourself.

Genesis 1 is based on outdated Babylonian natural philosophy, there's no reason to believe it, we have better science today.

Also, every single "Yom" in Gen 1 is finished with "And there was evening and there was morning, the ... day." sounds like literal days to me.

There is no good reason and it makes no sense for them to be long periods of time, as you put it.

science and facts will find the truth

I'd still rather base my views on science rather than an ancient Middle Eastern story book..