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Feminists, does your vision of the future include any of these things? ?

1) women having to sign up for selective service. (Do they? I hear it's a thing now. Not sure.)

2) women being drafted to fight in war. 

3) women having exactly the same rights as men. Not more. Not less. Not different ones. 

4) women working under the 'glass floor'. In sanitation, covered in crap. In lumberjacking, risking their lives. On skyscrapers, risking their lives. Etc. 

5) women being 50% of the prisoners. 

6) women having the same life expectancies as men. Not more. Not less. 

7) actually passing the Equal Rights Amendment. 

Now, at a guess, your vision of the future does NOT include ANY of that and I think I know WHY. You don't think women are as capable as men. You think they need special protection. I really don't think you can deny that bit about women needing special protection since your entire movement is based on portraying women as VICTIMS. 

But feel free to prove me wrong. Go ahead. Go for it. 

Update:

Anonymous, are you saying that feminists do NOT say that women are victims? B/c if you ARE then feminism has no reason to exist since it sure as hell doesn't care about the E.R.A. and it sure as hell isn't the M.R.M. Why should feminism exist if it doesn't think women are victims? What is it DOING? 

Update 2:

Not Applicable. YOUR VISION. There should be no 'likely' or 'probable'. It's the vision in your imagination. You should know what is in YOUR mind. If not, that's cool. Just means you haven't really thought it out very well. 

Update 3:

Can't believe I'm actually giving BA to Chemflunky. So be it. Good job, CF. 

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  • 5 months ago
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    1. Sure.  If Selective Service is still around, I think it should apply equally to both genders (though, honestly, I think it should probably be abolished, it's not even that helpful for what it's nominally for)

    2. Sure, if there is a war that legitimately warrants using the draft.

    3. I think there are some narrow, specific matters, mostly involving reproduction, where men and women should be treated differently, because of the biological realities of the situation.  Outside of that, sure.

    4. Absolutely no problem with women doing those things if they want.  The thing is, men and women aren't identical, so it is likely that in a world with absolutely no true gender bias, there still would be some jobs (probably including things like construction) that "tend" male, because people with male bodies and/or male minds are more capable of or more willing to do them (similarly, there will be some jobs that "tend" female, for much the same reasons).  So it is likely that jobs like that will have somewhere between a 60:40 and a 75:25 gender ratio, rather than 50:50.

    5. Again, men and women aren't identical.  I think there's a little bit of anti-male and/or pro-female bias in the justice system today, but I doubt that accounts for more than about 10% of the difference between male and female prisoner numbers.  There are a lot of other reasons for the difference, some of which (eg males tending to be more aggressive, because testosterone) will still be the case in a fair world.

    6. Men and women are still not identical.  There are strictly *biological* reasons for differences in life expectancy.  If the reasons for a decreasing gap in male vs female life expectancies is for good reasons (eg more safety measures, so that jobs that tend "male" are less dangerous; advances fixing reasons men die young), then great.  If they're bad (eg higher maternal mortality), not so great.

    7. Sounds good to me.

  • 5 months ago

    To answer your question:

    1) if there is a selective service, then women will likely have to sign up as well. If it isn't all outsourced to the drones.

    2) See #1

    3) Highly likely

    4) Whatever jobs aren't automated away

    5) Sure, unless we learn to do something beside incarceration, except for the more heinous of crimes.

    6) Technology will likely increase the longevity of both men and women. Transhumanists say it won't be humanity versus the machine, humanity will become the machine. 

    7) Possible, but even if it isn't, it will be fait accompli. 

  • ?
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    5 months ago

    Women don't have to sign up for selective service. What happened is that the courts ruled that if another draft happens women have to be drafted too. No laws have been changed to reflect this ruling nor do any laws have to be passed to reflect it. 

  • Anonymous
    5 months ago

    Some of those things already exist. Women already do get jobs in the military, police, fire department, construction, etc. There’s more men in those jobs, but women are certainly welcome to apply. Personally, I don’t think anyone should have to sign up for the draft, male or female. If this country is gonna go to war, they should find ways to get people to volunteer to enlist. And there’s a reason women aren’t registered for the draft. If a father gets drafted, he needs to be confident that his wife will be able to take care of the kids and not get drafted herself. Otherwise, there could be a problem where this country has a whole lot of kids with nobody to take care of them. Women already get sent to prison, but we aren’t 50% of the prisoners because we don’t commit 50% of the crimes. Statistically, men commit far more crimes (especially violent crimes) than women. Women have a higher life expectancy, but that’s not something we can control. It’s just the way biology made us. The fact is, men and women have small differences. Women are just as capable as men (if they choose to be) at most things. But women often have specific needs and skills that men don’t have. Women have babies. I’d like to see a man go through labor and childbirth. Most men aren’t that tough. Women tend to be the ones that get stuck raising kids alone when men can’t handle the responsibility. A lot of men just make babies and forget about them. If you want women to be 100% equal to men, even on things we can’t control like life expectancy, then men should have to handle periods, pregnancy, childbirth, nursing, and actually taking care of kids for 18 years. The truth is that women and men aren’t equal. Neither gender is better, but each has different strengths and weaknesses. Feminism is about choices. Women can choose if they wanna be stay at home moms, nurses, cops, plumbers, CEOs, or any other career they choose. We just want the same opportunities as men. Women want to be able to advance their careers without men asking if they slept with the boss to get there. Until you’ve been a woman and experienced the way we get treated, you’ll never really understand. 

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  • Anonymous
    5 months ago

    Angry white guy stuck in a mental loop.

    Turns out your societal ideals are oppressive.

    People want to smudge out your entire world view on both sides. People want to create better instead of being stuck in such black and white thinking.

  • 5 months ago

    A lot of the things you mention are artifacts of the patriarchy.

  • Anonymous
    5 months ago

    1)  Yes (or make it voluntary for all)

    2)  Yes  (or make it voluntary for all)

    3)  No, that's not possible due to having different bodies.

    4)  Yes

    5)  Yes, if they commit 50% of the crimes

    6)  Probably not possible as it depends on factors beyond government's control

    7)  I don't care one way or another

    "entire movement is based on portraying women as VICTIMS"   I agree that victim mentality is a big problem, but it really has nothing to do with feminism.   Just look at Trump.  He loves claiming he's a victim of the media, of Pelosi, of Schumer, of Cohen, Comey, of the left, of voter fraud, of anything and everything that absolves him of responsibility.   Victim, victim, victim...

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