Does this extended analogy re: rape prevention make sense?

Foofa: not so much offering a solution as just pointing out what the problem is.  Carrying pepper spray is analogous to something like getting a security system, sure, but what it's not analogous to is locking your door.  It's not a "the least you can do is" kind of thing, it's more an "above and beyond" kind of thing.  If that makes sense.

Bill:  A few ideas, that only the terminally paranoid would consider a violation of rights...

More emphasis on teaching about consent, both in the education system and as public service announcement type things.  A disturbing number of rapists probably think they're not "really" rapists, because the picture of rape in their heads is the classic back-alley stranger rape, not all the various flavors of date rape.  Even some rape *victims*, no matter how violated they feel, may not realize that what happened to them really, genuinely was rape, for the same reasons.

Better handling of rape reports by the police.  Including absolutely *no* cases of women (or men) who report being raped getting laughed at, ignored, dismissed, or the like rather than having their reports taken seriously.

Better security at rape "hot spots".  Train bartenders and bouncers to watch for signs that someone has been roofied, and get them to safety (or at least make sure that they aren't taken home by the person who drugged them and presumably intends to rape them).  Increase security patrols in problematic areas.  Things like that.

Not sure what your solution is. Carrying pepper spray to try to ward off a rapist isn't all that different from having a security system in your home. The reality is that crime of all kinds is going up and you can't always count on a cop to be there to protect you. If you're suggesting that there's more "women, here's how you can avoid rape" than there is, "hey, little boys, don't grow up to be rapists" you're just wrong. I'm raising two boys and this is exactly what they're being taught at school. Also, not getting drunk in public is sound advice for anyone. 

"Does this extended analogy re: rape prevention make sense?"

What comes first?  The cart or the horse?  When we hear people giving advice on how women can take steps to lower the opportunity of becoming a rape target, why do so many feminists and women become offended?  Nobody is telling them that it's their fault.  It's just crime prevention advice.

But then look at what happens when a rapist rapes a woman, and then hoards of women hold a march that is invariably always set up by feminist, where they blame ALL MEN for not being able to protect women from rapists (or "other men" as they often portray rapists to be) ... even though men have no authority or dominion over women, and cannot tell them what to do or not to do.

Men make their choices every single day when and where they go, walk, drive, and how they behave.  More men become victims of crime than women do by at least 300%.  But no man turns around and blames all men, or all Blacks, or whatever other race or group the person was.  There is never a march that attempts to shame society into keeping men safe from criminals, as if society could even do that.

A sheer belief in equality would be that women who have full agency and freedom, can choose whatever actions and behaviours they want.  But they are also responsible for their safety with regards to the choices they make.  This doesn't mean that they are responsible for any crimes committed against them by random individual criminals and rapists.  But it does mean that free people have no justification for imposing the responsibility of their full safety onto an entire gender, or race, or even all of society.

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Suggesting women take steps to prevent rape isn't comparable to one to turning their home into a fortress. It's more like suggesting one doesn't leave their doors wide open before they go on vacation. Don't think you can just sit back and not have to take any actions. You can take steps to prevent any crime including rape, and you should.

So how do you suppose the state prevents rape without violating peoples rights or treat a group of people or all people as criminals? You see, unless you're going to step on people to make yourself feel safe the only path is to take responsibility for your own safety or rely on someone you trust for your safety.

The shutdown, the mask mandates, and all this talk about requiring people to have a vaccine in order to go on a plane are all examples of the human right violations that happen when the state decides to take responsibility for your safety. 

You also should realize that society used to go through a lot more trouble in keeping women safe. The thing is feminists like you rejected those measures because they restricted the freedom of women. If however you want men and society overall to keep you safe then you need to also accept the reality that restricting your freedom is the only way to do it. You can't demand we keep you safe and then demand complete freedom. If you want freedom then you must accept risk, but if you want safety then you must accept restricted freedoms. You can't have both. 

Also, never put a gun in your pants like the woman in the picture that Angel posted is doing. Please understand gun safety before you decide to carry a gun. 

I'm not a huge dude so I carry a gun in case my life is ever endangered by someone else. I think a woman should do the same. Yeah I think whoever commits rapes and muggings are trash but you have to recognize when you have something someone might want from you and be willing and able to defend it

My thoughts are: get an effing clue, lady!

Criminals don't care what you have to say. Not even cops can reduce crime. It's well-documented. Turns out the government is not a necessary evil after all. 

Again, get an effing clue! Stop teaching, start learning/unlearning.