As spiritual observers: What exactly happens within the next stage of the progression,?
when a human being finally comes to know, or realize, oneself?
What is it that spontaneously happens? This is a question that everyone should be able to answer....
Asked by: a small insignificant sufi student and close companion....
2009-08-16T07:12:38Z
Clue #1: One will see others, as one sees oneself.
2009-08-18T11:03:22Z
Clue #2: All doubt will have been dispelled.
2009-08-19T06:52:46Z
Clue #3: One will have judged oneself and one will no longer judges others. Judgement day will dissapear. There will be nothing left to judge.
2009-08-20T11:40:40Z
I see that everyone has been observing. There are so many wonderful answers. It is not within this old man's heart to choose one as BA. Vote as your heart speaks....
This old man has observed a totally self realized human being.
All that can be said about "One" is: One appears to be very common, is natural, shows no signs of being special, is extremely pleasant, shows no favoritism in the slightest. They are a "True Human Being". One such as that, is selfless They have once again become normal. Anything other than that must be considered abnormal.
Salaams, a small insignificant brother and close companion
2009-08-20T11:48:50Z
What follows self-realization? One becomes normal!
a sojourner2009-08-16T00:55:51Z
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As-salaam 'alaikum dear brother
The Holy Quran answers this perfectly......as Allah subhana wa ta'ala [God...Glorious and Exalted is He] knows best ..
► "and never call upon any other deity side by side with God. There is no deity save Him. Everything is bound to perish, save His [eternal] self. With Him rests all judgment; and unto Him shall you all be brought back." [Qu'ran 28:88]
► "All that lives on earth or in the heavens is bound to pass away:" [Qur'an 55:26]
►"but forever will abide thy Sustainer’s Self, full of majesty and glory." [ Qur'an 55:27]
These vereses are very profound [subhanAllah] and I do think they need no further explanation and they are certainly part of the story of how I came to embrace Islam. Alhamdulillah :)
However, for the benefit of others who may read an alternative English translation of the verses [where face has been used to represent the corresponding Arabic], here are Muhammad Asad's [may Allah subhana wa ta'ala be please with him] commentaries on these verses:
"Lit., "Everyone who is upon it i.e., on earth and/or, according to Ibn Kathir, in the heavens - since the pronoun in alayha apparently relates to the whole universe..............(commentary for Quran Ref: 55:26 )
Lit., "face", or "countenance", a term used metonymically in classical Arabic to denote the "self" or "whole being" of a person - in this case, the essential Being, or Reality, of God. Cf. also 28:88, "Everything is bound to perish, save His [eternal] Self"............(commentary for Qur'an Ref: 55:27 )
La ilaha illa Allah..[there is no god but God or .....none exists but God].....all drops return to the ocean [Qur'an 28:88 and 55:26-27]
For those who have attained the goals of Sufism ware the wool on top of purity; attained through subjective experience of intuition or insight. The dervish seeker in the practice of asana Yoga and pranayama may lead to the abandonment of all notions of dualism or multiplicity, including the concept of an individual self realizing the Divine. If in fact you are a student of Sufism I would not call you insignificant but in the practice of the dervish seeking the love of and merger with God. For the progression of the Sufi I have no answer. I think their realization is that only Source is. I would expect their full merger. For the dervish I would think inner vision; the vision and realization there is no self. The requirements are many years, if not life time’s, of purification for attainment. I mean no disrespect but in today’s world learned techniques’ of observation of the idea of the false ego brings about the same purification and realization on its own accord early in one life time. In all of history there has never been a greater need or urgency for the integration science and religion; Integration of the relative and absolute fields of Being.
Basically you answered your own question with the clues. The more we progress on the spiritual path, the more we understand, that the whole world exist only inside ourselves, and by correcting ourselves we correct the world, until at the final stage when reveal, that everything: ourselves, the path and the source is ONE. By that time we see the reality "from one end to the other", past present future without any doubts. The last judgment is that we judge the whole world to a scale of merit, and we all feel pure love flowing freely. I hope this is what you had in mind.
Spontaneously joy arises, and the heart is in bliss with the beauty and Love and feeling of Oneness that flows.
Vision is now through the Higher Mind, and thus the discriminating mind is no longer able to maintain its hold upon the idea of separation, or vulnerability, or it's need for defensive or attacking thoughts and emotions.
So there is also complete peace of mind, and the mind remains in a state of stilled awareness.
With the expansion of consciousness, there also seem to be syncronicities and confirmations that occur as the Higher Self confirms it's presence.
Just a small personal viewpoint ...
Namaste
( ... I doubt if I am Realised, but have the blessing of being shown small glimpses ... )
dear brother... i don't know how to answer this question. i have been thinking about it... and the answer still does not come... although perhaps i will have an "ah-ha" experience when i read your answer... and i look forward to that with delightful expectation. i agree with Ross...
"Chop wood and carry water."
however i think that there is more here than meets the eye... so i keep looking.
when i was a studying music at MSU... i wrote a song that was entitled... "Child of the Universe." basically the song asked us who we are... and as i was reflecting upon those thoughts... i would conjecture a guess that the answer to this question lies in knowing "who we are". we are all Children of God... and have been created in love... but we have forgotten our birth... (many of us have... myself included... some remember...) We are taught that we will all go back to our Creator... and that there is a Judgment Day where we review all that has transpired in our lives. i know that i am just rambling here... and i apologize... but i will answer... that when a human being finally "comes to know... or realize oneself" it is simply a path of remembering... our birthright, our heritage... the Gift that we are...
and we rejoice! "La ilaha ill Allahu!"
Proverbs 8 discusses wisdom... and we read... "Before the mountains were settled, before the hills, I was brought forth; While as yet He had not made the earth or the fields, or the primal dust of the world. When He prepared the heavens, I was there. When He drew a circle on the face of the deep, when He established the clouds above, when He strengthened the fountains of the deep, when He assigned to the sea its limit, so that waters would not transgress His command, when He marked out the foundations of the earth, then I was beside Him as a master craftsman; and I was daily His delight, Rejoicing always before Him. Rejoicing in His inhabited world, and my delight was with the sons of men.
very best wishes and warm regards... i apologize for this lame response... xx
edit #1 from clue #1: answer comes from 3 wise monkeys:= see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil... (do no evil) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_wise_monkeys
edit #2 from clues #2 and #3: "the immediate response to these clues is that we die to ourselves... we take refuge in God Almighty... we return to our Source... by dying to ourselves... we become a servant and slave of the Most High... we return to our natural heritage as lambs of God... there is nothing left for 'us' to do... but as servants... 'we Do' the will of our LORD. best answer that i have to offer. thank you for this question beloved brother... xx salams.