Why do we keep hearing this Horus nonsense?

Yesterday I was "challenged" to view an online video claiming that many aspects of the Jesus story were based on the Egyptian mythological figure of Horus. One of the major hooks was the claim that the mother of Horus, Isis, was a virgin when she gave birth to him.

I took the time to read a bit of Egyptian mythology, and discovered that Isis was not a virgin. The story leaves no doubt about that, because she uses her powers as a goddess to re-animate the body of her husband, Osiris, after he's killed, specifically for the purpose of making love to him. The murder of Osiris (and therefore hereditary enemy of Horus), Set, makes sure she doesn't produce any more offspring that way by chopping up Osiris' body and scattering the pieces. (She gets all of them back except for one--ahem!--crucial part.)

Although the others are harder to look up, I doubt any of the Middle-Eastern or Indo-European gods cited in that video were virgin births, because the fertility religions are all about connecting human sexuality and agricultural production. A virgin birth runs counter to the entire concept.

I'm not saying the maker of the video was necessarily lying. Maybe he learned Egyptian mythology as a 10-year-old, from someone who was too embarrassed to put in the sexual content and substituted the Christian virgin birth story to clean it up.

But this stuff is easy to check, and yet these claims keep coming back here. Why doesn't anyone--especially those who seem so proud of their credentials as skeptics--ever check them out first?

2011-03-03T12:30:56Z

Jessica Rabbit: Very few of the rest hold up under inspection, either. And after a source has been caught in a lie is a lousy time to claim it's otherwise true.
The parallels that do hold up are the "gimmes": son of god, miracle worker, target of murderers, depicted as a child with his mother.

WellTraveledProg: McCabe cites two sources, one late 4th century and one 7th century. Neither describes a pre-Christian form of Horus worship.

Marsyas Weeps: I didn't "fixate" on Harsiesis ("Horus son of Isis"); he is the one claimed to have had a virgin birth. Isis is the alleged virgin.
Marduk's birth is recounted immediately after a mention of his father and his father's lover, evidently Marduk's mother. No virgin birth there, either.
The story of Zoroaster's virgin birth is first found in writings from over eight centuries after Christ, raising serious doubts about who copied whom.
(With a nod to Cassandra): Want to try for Mithras while you're at it? He was either born without any mother a

Anonymous2011-03-01T08:00:58Z

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"Whatever we make of the original myth, Isis seems to have been originally a virgin (or, perhaps, sexless) goddess, and in the later period of Egyptian religion she was again considered a virgin goddess, demanding very strict abstinence from her devotees. It is at this period, apparently, that the birthday of Horus was annually celebrated, about December 25th, in the temples. As both Macrobius and the Christian writer [of the "Paschal Chronicle"] say, a figure of Horus as a baby was laid in a manger, in a scenic reconstruction of a stable, and a statue of Isis was placed beside it. Horus was, in a sense, the Savior of mankind. He was their avenger against the powers of darkness; he was the light of the world. His birth-festival was a real Christmas before Christ."
-- Joseph McCabe, Catholic priest and author/historian

There is no consensus among historians/Egyptologists about whether Horus was considered to have had a "virgin birth" or not according to Egyptian texts. There is, however, quite a bit of evidence that no matter what the texts say, celebrations surrounding Horus *did* imagine him as having had a virgin birth.

You apparently didn't "check" very well.

Peace.

Marsyas Weeps2011-03-01T08:51:10Z

The version you've fixated on seems to be Harsiesis, the Horus of the union of Osiris and Isis, which is not the primary myth.
Horus was celebrated as the child of Isis the God Mother, and was born by the process of parthenogenesis within her. The stories of the wanderings of Isis and her child/children are said to be highly similar to Virgin Mary's wanderings in the Apocrypha. The images of Isis and Horus are remarkably similar to the Virgin and Child symbolism, Horus's birth was celebrated around the end of December, with clearly agrarian references to a stable and manger.

Other ancient creation and virgin birth myths include Marduk (he of 50 names - just a bit Yahweh-like for me), Perseus (although strictly speaking that was Zeus having his wicked way), El and Asharuk(?) (and their 70 spontaneous offspring) - Asharuk being related to the Queen of Heaven references in the Bible and older texts; a bit further afield Krishna was born as Vasudeva after descending into Devaki's womb, which was similar to several other Hindu avatars; Graeco-Roman pantheon Apollo, Theseus, Dionysus, etc. all with varying degrees of intervention.

Then there's the worrying one: Zoroaster, the religion of whom is believed to form the powerful messianic basis for the Judeo-Christian and Islamic traditions, including the prominence of prophets, saints and millennial judgement days. Add to that, one myth that Zoroaster's mother, Dughdova, was a virgin when she conceived Zoroaster by a shaft of light, or that the gods bore Zoraster's seed down the ages to conceive the prophets and messiah.

I'm an atheist not a skeptic.

CassandraofTroy Philosopher2011-03-01T09:52:17Z

Because, Samwise, they are lying to you. They make this stuff up like the Da Vinci Code which the author admits is total fiction. There is another lie out there about Mithras. Now the Mithras cult was a mystery religion. That means its beliefs and practices were a secret. Yet, Christophobes out there continue to claime that they know all about this religion and that that's all Christianity is, is a rehas of Mithraism. There are all these books out there by all these "experts" Don't believe any of it. The Roman Catholic church is your best resource for the real history of Christianity. Protestants have largely lost these sources, but the Catholics know.

Thanos2011-03-01T07:59:12Z

If you're referring to the fact that most, if not all, of the elements of the Jesus story have been attributed to other god-men who were variously born of a virgin, had a king seek their deaths as a child, born on Dec. 25, etc, hey, that's the way it is. Most of the elements of the Jesus story have their origins in older stories. Religious beliefs shape the form of the myths of the god-men, not the other way around.

Anonymous2011-03-01T07:55:35Z

One similarity down.

347 to go.

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