WHY are we here on this earth ? Does God Love it ? ( this is for "smart" christians only )

Sorry...I'M NOT a Christians BUT For All the Christians please open your bible and share it ...Ok ?

to : mr. Contra

You are right. It is rare that I have such an opportunity to write for extended amounts of time like this. You see this morning I had few hours before going to do the Friday services for the Muslims in the university there in Montreal. And now I am back here in Washington, DC at my home computer writing to you again. But don't count on this happening again. This is very rare for me. Anyway, here goes and I hope that you can follow along with me on this. I pray that you can.

OK. First you are correct. You understood exactly what I said. But the argument that you are bringing is not in keeping with the teachings of the Bible. The Bible states:

"Spare the rod and you spoil the child."

Do you see that God Almighty has instructed the followers of Moses and the Jews to use the stick to punish the children.

It is clear from the many examples given in the Bible that Almighty God has no problem in punishing the wicked and evil doers. I fail to see why anyone who reads the Bible could overlook such an important teaching.

As regards whether or not Almighty God loves His creation, the answer is "No."

This is clear from the teachings in the Old Testament and in the Quran. It is only in the New Testament that you find things like, "For God so loved the world..."

In fact, if He loved it, He would not allow many things to happen as He does. This place, our universe and in particular, our planet are all a part of the great creation of Almighty God to do what? What is it that Almighty God is doing with us every day? It is the same thing that He has been doing with all of the humans since the beginning. What is it?

He also does not "suffer" as a result of our shortcomings and evil. He is never effected by His Creation. This is preposterous. He is far above and beyond these human failings. He is God. The real One and Only God.

And we do not compare Almighty God to anything that He created, for He is Glorified far above what they are trying to attribute to Him.

You tried to bring in a story of parents and their children. God is not a Father, nor our we His "children." The correct word or more appropriate meaning of the word "son" in this case would be "servant" or perhaps "worshipper", not "son" or "daughter" or "child." You can verify this is the dictionary of Strong's Concordance, by the way. I did.

Even in the case of the parents that you mentioned, have you ever heard of parents who beat themselves or some innocent child because they loved their child so much and did not want to punish him? That is sick. And you are not talking here about beating or hitting; you are talking about murder.

What kind of front page headlines would that be for parents that murdered each other or someone else's child, because their own child was bad and they just couldn't stand the suffering they were feeling while the child was being bad?

Come on. Let us try to keep our brains in our heads while we are thinking here.

Think of Adam, peace be upon him. He was in the Paradise. His wife was there with him. They were told that they could eat of anything there in the Paradise. And they did.

But they were also told not to eat of a specific fruit. Did they do it?

Yes.

Why?

Because they had to in order for everything to be like it is.

Let me clarify for you. Almighty God always is under complete and total control. There is never a time when He is asleep or not paying attention to all that He has created. So He knows in advance everything that is going to happen and all of this that we call the universe and everything in it is under His control.

He did not have to put the fruit in there with Adam, peace be upon him, right?

He did not have to let the devil tempt them, right?

He did not have to kick them out of the Paradise as He did, right?

Of course.

So, why in fact, did Almighty God create everything?

It is for us.

It is a test.

Adam passed his test.

Eve passed her test.

How?

They were created to be human, not gods. So naturally, they are like you and I in the fact that they are weak and they do things that are wrong and even sinful.

Do you acknowledge that all of us are sinners? I do.

So how is it that I say that Adam and Eve PASSED their test?

After all, they ate from the fruit of the forbidden tree. That was bad. Right?

They did it.

What the Bible has lost is the true moral to the story. Others came along later and began to try to make a totally different meaning out it, even blaming Eve for the first sin and for influencing Adam to do the same. And then suddenly she is going to be punished with the affliction of menstrual periods and child birth and all of this is her punishment. Adam, according to the Biblical account is tossed out of the Paradise because of this sin, along with Eve.

According to Islam, the story is pretty close, but lacks the true moral understanding and teachings.

All along Almighty God was going to put them out of the Paradise into the earth so that they could be tested.

The real test was not whether or not they would eat the fruit. The real test is what would they do after they ate the fruit.

Repentance is the word that we are looking for here. After Adam and Eve were put out of the Paradise (near the Holy Land), Adam went one way and Eve wound up going some other way. They did not see each other for a while.

Adam, peace be upon him, repented and placed his head down on the ground on a place that became a historic land mark from that time forward. Do you know where that is?

Bakkah.

Today it is called Makkah, and it is in the Arabian Peninsula.

Adam put his head down on the ground and prayed to Almighty God to forgive him for he realized that he had really done more than eat forbidden fruit. The fact is that he had disobeyed Almighty God and that is the worst thing. He knew now that he had to do something for what he had done. So, he prostrated to Almighty God.

God accepted from him.

The story of Eve is the same. She disobey and she also repented to Almighty God.

Almighty God accepted her repentance as well.

Then Adam and Eve met each other in a place that is near Bakkah (Makkah in Saudi Arabia) called Arafat.

By the way, another mistake that many people make is to believe that the devil is a "fallen angel." This does not make any sense at all. After all there is no power in the universe except the One Almighty God. Right?

So how could the devil have been an angel and then suddenly go against God's Will?

The devil is actually from the earlier "people" before humans, known as "jinn" (our word "genie" comes from this).

The angels are made from pure light and so you cannot see them with the normal eye.

The jinn are made from a "smokeless fire."

The humans are made from the clay or dirt of the earth.

The one we call the devil, was from the "jinn."

When he observed that Allah had made a new kind of creation and He was ordering everyone to bow down to it due to it being the "Best of Allah's Creation."

This really bothered the jinn that we call the devil is that he was no longer the preferred favorite of Almighty God.

He was jealous. And that destroys us from the very moment that we begin to practice it.

Almighty God ordered all of His creation to "bow down" due to the creation of Adam, peace be upon him.

The Devil (Iblees) refused to obey Almighty God, and as a result Almighty God ordered him to go to Hell for what he had done. That was before Adam or Eve had even had life in them.

From the Islamic perspective, we are all here on this earth as a test. This is not our Paradise and it is far more like a prison where we must be careful of what we say and do for everything will have its consequences.

Almighty God tells us that He has only created us to worship, praise and devote ourselves to Him and to do so without making any partners with Him in devotion or worship. Those who make sins are to repent to Him and to seek for His Forgiveness and to ask for His Mercy. And He says that He does not forgive setting up partners with Him in worship (the First Commandment) but anything less than that He can forgive.

Over all picture:

Allah created the heavens and earth and all that is in the universe only to test us (although He already knows what the outcome will be, before He even created us. The test is not for Him.

It is a test for us.

He will have to deal with what we have done on the Day of Judgment. There can be no second opinion on this one. Each and every person will see anything that he has done that is good, even an atom's weight of good and the same for doing even an atom's weight of bad, we will all see it then.

All the prophets, peace be upon them, taught the same message: "Worship God alone without any partners."

But people are weak, very weak. So before long they will begin to worship something else, unless you really keep them focused on Almighty God and don't let them stray away.

Reference the story of the followers of Moses, peace be upon him, when he was up in the mountain receiving the tablets from Almighty God, what happened?

They built a calf out of their gold and then began to worship it. This is why they had to wonder for 40 years in the wilderness, for the crime of worshipping other than the Almighty God.

The Pharisees at the time of Jesus, peace be upon him, had also corrupted the message and were out there selling and buying money because they told people that they could not buy anything for the sacrifices with money from Rome or any other government. It had to be their money. They were called "money changers."

What did Jesus, peace be upon him, do (according to what you have in the Bible)?

He took a whip and drove them out.

Now if he is so compassionate and can't stand to punish the evil doers, what does this story mean?

The New Testament says that Jesus went to a tree to get some fruit to eat from it, but he found it barren and without fruit, so he cursed the tree. Does this sound like Almighty God to you?

God has to eat?

God doesn't know which trees have fruit and which ones don't?

God gets angry at the tree?

God curses the tree?

And you said that "God so loved the world..." (except for certain trees).

By the way, he cursed the Pharisees too and he said they did not have enough righteousness to even enter Paradise.

And then what about his statement, according to the Bible, that says he ordered them to sell their cloaks and coats and buy swords?

And at Gethsemene when the Roman soldiers and the Rabbis from the San Hedrin came and tried to capture them and fighting broke out and they actually cut off the ear of one of the servants of a leader. These were Jews from the Jewish faith at that time.

Wouldn't it be a bit hypocritical to blame and punish certain people and then claim that you can't punish people because you just "love them too much"?

Finally, now let us go back to the story of the person who really did go to the cross. The one who "looked like" Jesus.

There is a name that is in the Arabic and Aramaic language that is pronounced "tau-aam." When it was taken into the Koine Greek (after Jesus time) and later on into the Latin, that became known as "Thomas." This word means "twin" or "look alike." (You can look this up in a name dictionary -- that is how I learned it).

The name of the one who sold Jesus out for thirty pieces of silver was what? - Judas Iscariot. Right?

Did you know that he had a nickname? I have a book of apocrypha that mentions his full name with the nickname in it.

Can you guess what it was?

Judas THOMAS Iscariot.

What is the big deal? That shows you that he "looked like" someone.

Who do think he looked like?

Remember, he told the Romans that he would go to the one that was Jesus and kiss him to indicate to them who he was. When this took place what happened next? The ground trembled and shook and the curtain on the temple was torn in two and everyone fell down on the ground. When they got up, they grabbed the one that they thought was "Jesus" and took him in custody.

When they asked him questions, he was no longer able to give the kinds of answers that they were used to hearing from him and when they asked who he was, he would answer by saying, "That is what you say about me."

For sure, God Almighty is Just, Fair and Merciful. He would never punish anyone for the sins of another; especially someone who loved Almighty God so much, and had prayed in tears and sweat to "Let this cup pass from me. Even so, Thy will be done."

And finally, what are the words that come from the mouth of the one on the cross just as he is dying? "Eli! Eli! Lama sabach thani?" The translation is put in brackets for us to see for ourselves. (My God! My God! Why has Thou forsaken me?) This is outright blasphemy. Who could say such a thing? This person is not happy with the "plan of salvation" that everyone is so quick to jump on and hope it works. This person is distraught with his condition and he is blaming his God.

Now consider this again; if Jesus, peace be upon him, went to the Garden of Gethsemene with his companions and posted them to be on the lookout so that he could pray and beg Almighty God to let this thing pass from him, but Almighty God would not accept his prayers, would not spare him this humiliation and torture and even death; then what hope would we have in front of God on the Day of Judgment.

If God Almighty loves the earth as much as you say, and He loves us so much, and He loved Jesus so much, then what difference does it make to Him which one of the things that He loves so much, that He is willing to destroy one of them for the other?

The whole idea is bizarre.

The Justice and Mercy of Almighty God are very much served in the version of the cross mentioned in the Quran. Someone who "looked like him" (the hipocrite, Judas Thomas Iscariot) goes to the cross instead. Didn't the Bible mention that he was "hanged on a tree?" (It also contradicts that statement in another gospel, saying that he fell off a cliff and burst into flames).

I agree with you in all that you said. God is Merciful. God is Just. God is Fair. These are the very attributes that He names Himself with in the Quran. And He is the LOVING GOD. That is in the Quran. But He clearly tells us what it is that He Loves and what it is that He hates. And He does hate that anyone set up anything or anyone in partnership with Him in worship. That is the first commandment in the Old Testament and it is the same in the New Testament.

Read Mark 12:28-30

28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?

29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

This is the exact meaning of the "Shahadah" or testimony of faith in Islam: "There is no god worthy of any devotion or worship, except the One True God Almighty."

Let us now come to the final conclusion to this matter and discover what makes this such a popular notion with people.

All of us are sinners and we all agree to that. All of us know that we are unworthy to inherit the Kingdom of God, that is in Islam as well.

The prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, also taught the very same concept as did Jesus, peace be upon him. He told his companions that none would enter into the Paradise except by the Grace of Almighty God. He was preaching the message of salvation by Grace.

They asked him, even you, O messenger of God?"

He said, "Yes. Even me."

What is the Grace and how do we get it?

By knowing that there really is only One God and that He alone is worthy of all of our devotion, love, praise and thanks. And by repenting to Him and saying that we are truly sorry for what we have done and then making sacrifices for His sake and obeying Him even if it means that we might not get to do our own will, but rather we are doing His Will instead.

But the method for salvation in Islam (repentance and obedience and sacrifice) is not acceptable to most of the people. They much prefer a short cut. Anything. As long as they can continue to do the things that they want to do and then feel like that somehow they are going to be automatically and completely forgiven, then that is good enough.

Now I'm going to say something strange to you Mihai, I'm going to tell you to go back and read your Bible. Really.

But this time, pray to God (direct, not to Jesus) and ask Him to open your heart and your mind to His Words in that Book. Some of it is still there, even though many have tried to change and corrupt it. Go back and read it again. But when you see something that is definitely contradictory to the teachings of the Old Testament and absolutely against any common sense, leave that part out of your formula.

If you want to have some idea of what the Quran has in it, you are welcome to write to me and I'll arrange for one to be delivered to you. It might be that you already have one and maybe you would like to look in it for some ideas. It is up to you. The whole story of your life and your walk with God, is all up to you. We have nothing for sale here. If you come to Islam, there is no promise of anything other than a chance to try to be one who worships Almighty God without any partners. If you are successful in that, then He will reward you and forgive your sins and grant you His Paradise. But it is all up to Him in the final analysis.

In closing I would like to mention a few points:

Islam is wide open and you are free to ask any questions that you like.

You do not have to accept the statement, "Just believe. It is a matter of faith. Don't question."

Islam has proofs to back up its statements. The Quran and teachings of Muhammad, peace be upon him, are all preserved in tact and in the memories of over 9 million people.

The proofs are available to everyone.

There is no clergy in Islam or any hierarchy to deal with. We are all the same in front of Allah.

Faith works side by side with proof so that your mind and heart are never at odds with each other.

Nobody has the right to hear your confessions of sins and mistakes, except Almighty God. And only He can forgive them.

No human can guarantee that someone will enter Paradise or Hell.

No one can make up some worship for himself or for others and then expect that Almighty God has to accept that from them.

There is no compulsion in Islam. If you want to worship God on His terms, then you are welcome as a brother in faith. If not, that is your choice.

No one can carry the burden of another's sins or guilt.

None shall be asked (much less punished) about the sins of another.

Every atom's weight of good and every atom's weight of evil is recorded.

God decided to create someone in his image. So he created man. God loved us, yet we as humans introduced outseleves to sin the Genesis story of Adam and Eve. Throughout the Old Testament there are stories of how the people of Israel fell into paganism, but God looked upon his people and showed mercy. God didn't crucify Jesus the people did. Jesus even said on the cross, "Father, forgive them for they no not what they do." And this shows the great love for us. By Jesus accepting all of our sins, we are now able to get to heaven through Jesus. If this isn't God's love, then what is.

God loves all people. Jesus Christ sole purpose for coming to this earth, was to die for all mankind, to take back what Adam had given to satan, and restore unto God His creation, Man. We know that Jesus Christ was an innocent Man, but we forget, that this Birth and Death of Jesus Christ was not just a plan from God Himself, but Jesus Christ also. Jesus willingly went to the cross, He was not forced by His Father, and yes The Father must have wept as His Son sufferred so for mankind, and yes, He must still weep, when He looks down upon the earth and see so many deny what His Son did for them.

Yes, God loves the earth and everyone on it. He is grieved for all of the wrong things people do.

<"God never punishes an innocent for the sins of somebody else.">

That may be, however the bible says everyone has sinned. There is no one without sin. The punishment for all sin is death and hell. That is justice, and God is just so He must follow it. But God doesn't want everyone to die and go to hell, so that's why Jesus came to pay that penalty. That's why he did die and He also went to hell. But He also defeated death and hell when He rose again. That is why if we accept Christ, we are not condemned. In accepting Him, we are agreeing to let His sacrafice count for our sins. Tat is why we are forgiven. Jesus takes our sins away. Those who do not accept Christ's sacrafice are on thier own. The price for sin will be paid, and if you don't want it to be Christ's blood, then it will be your blood. (Romans explains this)

But to answer your questions

God loves the world enough for Jesus to die for it (John 3:16).

Because He loves us, God is grieved that people sin. Those who sincerely accept Christ and know Him personally understand this. Love then becomes the driving force for their desire to change and stop sinning.

Why are we here on earth?

1. God desires all peole to be saved.

Those of us who are saved are here to reach out to those who are not saved. God did all he could to keep people out of hell. But people still have to make the decision to accept Christ. To be able to make that decision, they have to know about it. And it's our job to tell them.

2. God desires a personal relationship with us.

He wants us to get to know Him personally and experience that relationship with Him. Then He wants us to tell others about it so that they too might experience the same.

So in short, it's all about "knowing God and making Him known."

Hope this helps. God bless.

The answer is in John 3:16

YES ! ur very much right!! GOD will never punish an innocent soul and thats why he GAVE his own blood on the cross.The father(abba) chose his only son to bear all our injustice.Note that NO normal human being's blood was shed on calvary.

And ofcourse,we ARE on earth by some divine design and purpose.

know wat pal? i just want ya to admit it! GOD IS CRAZY ABT YOU! he's got the whole universe but seems like he still chose to stay in ur heart..and that in turn had made you ponder abt the truth abt GOD's love;-)))

10the twenty-four elders fall down and worship the one who lives forever and ever. And they lay their crowns before the throne and say,

11"You are worthy, O Lord our God,to receive glory and honor and power.For you created everything,and it is for your pleasure that they exist and were created."

23For all have sinned; all fall short of God's glorious standard. 24Yet now God in his gracious kindness declares us not guilty. He has done this through Christ Jesus, who has freed us by taking away our sins. 25For God sent Jesus to take the punishment for our sins and to satisfy God's anger against us. We are made right with God when we believe that Jesus shed his blood, sacrificing his life for us. God was being entirely fair and just when he did not punish those who sinned in former times. 26And he is entirely fair and just in this present time when he declares sinners to be right in his sight because they believe in Jesus.

Peace be unto you

God Loves YOU!

I will try to answer you by using the Bible b/c I'm human and I make mistakes. God never makes mistake and "all Scriptures is God-breathed" (I Timothy 3:16a).

About the parents, Proverbs 13:24-"He who spares his rod hates his son, but he who loves him disciplines him promptly." There are more verses than that but I have to go. If you have more questions e-mail me!

We are here on this earth to worship and praise and serve God....he does not love the world, but the people in it.....smart enough?

You are not at true Christian if you catagorize this question for "Smart Christians Only" Christians dont critisize anybody so go f*ck yourself

God didn't crucify Jesus, people did. This question is nonsense.