Should the consequences of the offense be eliminated by forgiving?

I think if the offense was truly an accident and the violator asks forgiveness you should really try to forgive and restore the relationship. If however the act was on purpose or the violator is known to habitually commit such offenses, we have no religious of moral obligation to continue to put ourselves into situations where we could have continued suffering.

Consequences are there for a reason, for us to learn the hurt we have caused. IF I hurt you in a very serious manner that it leaves you with a permenant scar or lost limb, should you restore me to the former level that we were? Not necessarily. Some would be able to to that and still learn from it but most that had that kind of forgiveness as we should have, would or could remain friends but I would be very careful and not get in the position to let it happen again. I think that is learning and being intelligent. God never says to forgive and forget, but only to forgive. He is the only one that is to forget the offense as if it never happened. Even when it says that, it does not mean He forgets it, only that He chooses to act as if it never happened as He cannot forget it. YOu find some good examples of this when you see someone forgive someone that has killed a family member, yet they stand up for the killer and ask for lenience for them as they have forgiven them. It does not mean they should just go free to kill again but only that they should not be put back into the same circumstance that let them kill in the first place. If that person gets out, they should be welcomed as a friend or at least treated with respect but never should they be allowed to be in the position to do it again.

that's a choice for each person to makes for himself. But just think of this. if your cousin murdered your son or daughter, even if you forgave him would you really ever invite him over for a BBQ again? Nowadays forgiveness, is more like saying, Yes I know it was you. You are guilty of causing me pain of some form. However I will be the better person and lit you live with the guilt of that. Unfortunately guilt is only a condition suffered by the good of the world and rarely hinders the moral strings of the wicked

no forgiveness is not rolling over and accepting a victim status it is not forgetting and not leetting the person do that again because you cannot give them that same trust but that is emtoionally letting go and letting go of anger and hurt is healthy ,they are emotional poisons that age ,forgive the person for not being able to love themselves enough so they are treating you the best that they are capable of ,they cannot love anyone else more than they love themselves and this person is probably a miserable person that creates their own personal hell and you need to keep your personal power and positivity and not watse any of your energy on an unworthy person while making yourself ugly by aging and sick with stress by harboring negative feelings that just serve to prolong your suffering as an ineffective victim forgiveness is a selfish act

Even within forgiveness there are often effects of our transgressions that we must endure.

if he did put us back in eden. He would be lying cus he already seriously warned that if adam sin, they will die. he needed to balance the scales of Justice. he alsoe wanted humankind to experience the result of disobidience and sin.

Remember we can never judge that God is wrong. We are imperfect and our sense of right and wrong has been affected.

ODAY'S young people have been born into a cruel world. Tragic earthquakes and natural disasters that snuff out the lives of thousands seem to be commonplace. Wars and terrorist attacks dominate the news. Sickness, disease, crime, and accidents rob us of loved ones. For Mary, quoted above, evil hit close to home. Her bitter words were uttered after the death of her father.

When tragedy touches us personally, it is only human to feel frustration, loss, or even anger. 'Why did this have to happen?' you may wonder. 'Why me?' or 'Why now?' Such questions deserve satisfying answers. But to get the right answers, we must go to the right source. Granted, as a youth named Turrell observed, sometimes people are "hurting too much to think things through." So you may need to find a way to calm your emotions a bit so that you can think—logically and rationally.

Facing Unpleasant Realities

It may be unpleasant to contemplate, but death and suffering are facts of life. Job put it well when he said: "Man, born of woman, is short-lived and glutted with agitation."—Job 14:1.

The Bible promises a new world in which "righteousness is to dwell." (2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 21:3, 4) Before those ideal conditions are realized, however, mankind must go through a time of unprecedented wickedness. "Know this," says the Bible, "in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here."—2 Timothy 3:1.

How long will these difficult times last? Jesus' disciples asked more or less the same question. But Jesus did not give them a specific day or hour when this misery-stricken system of things would end. Instead, Jesus said: "He that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved." (Matthew 24:3, 13) Jesus' words encourage us to take a long-range view. We must be prepared to endure many unpleasant situations before the end finally comes.

Is God to Blame?

Does it makes sense, then, to be angry with God because he permits suffering? Not when you consider that God has promised to end all suffering. Nor does it make sense to feel that God causes bad things to happen. Many tragic happenings are simply the result of random events. Imagine, for example, that the wind blows a tree down and it injures someone. People may call this an act of God. But God did not make that tree fall down. The Bible helps us to appreciate that such things are simply the sad result of "time and unforeseen occurrence."—Ecclesiastes 9:11.

Suffering may also stem from poor judgment. Suppose a group of youths indulge in alcoholic beverages and then go for a drive. A serious accident results. Who is to blame? God? No, they have reaped the consequences of their poor judgment.—Galatians 6:7.

'But isn't God powerful enough to end suffering now?' you may ask. Some faithful men in Bible times wondered about that. The prophet Habakkuk asked God: "Why is it that you look on those dealing treacherously, that you keep silent when someone wicked swallows up someone more righteous than he is?" However, Habakkuk did not jump to hasty conclusions. He said: "I shall keep watch, to see what he will speak by me." Later, God assured him that at an "appointed time," He would end suffering. (Habakkuk 1:13; 2:1-3) We must therefore be patient, waiting for God to end wickedness at his appointed time.

Avoid jumping to the rash conclusion that God somehow wants us to suffer or that he is personally testing us. It is true that suffering can bring out the best in us and that the Bible says that the trials God allows can refine our faith. (Hebrews 5:8; 1 Peter 1:7) Indeed, many people who undergo trialsome or traumatic experiences do become more patient or compassionate. But we should not conclude that their suffering was God's doing. Such thinking does not take God's love and wisdom into account. The Bible plainly states: "When under trial, let no one say: 'I am being tried by God.' For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone." On the contrary, from God comes "every good gift and every perfect present"!—James 1:13, 17.

Why God Permits Evil

From where, then, does evil come? Remember that God has opposers—principally the "one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth." (Revelation 12:9) God placed our first parents, Adam and Eve, in a trouble-free world. But Satan convinced Eve that she would be better off without God's rulership. (Genesis 3:1-5) Sadly, Eve believed Satan's lies and disobeyed God. Adam joined her in this rebellion. The result? "Death spread to all men," says the Bible.—Romans 5:12.

Rather than immediately squashing this rebellion by destroying Satan and his followers, God saw fit to allow time to pass. What would that accomplish? For one thing, it would allow Satan to be exposed as a liar! It would allow proof to accumulate that independence from God brings nothing but ruin. Is that not exactly what has taken place? "The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one." (1 John 5:19) Furthermore, "man has dominated man to his injury." (Ecclesiastes 8:9) Mankind's religions are a maze of conflicting teachings. Morals have fallen to an all-time low. Human governments have tried every conceivable form of rule. They sign treaties and adopt laws, but the needs of the common people are still unfulfilled. Wars add misery on misery.

Clearly, we need to have God intervene and end wickedness! But this will happen only in God's due time. Until then, it is our privilege to support God's rulership by obeying his laws and principles as found in the Bible. When bad things happen, we can take comfort in the confident hope of life in a trouble-free world.

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