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Iraq...why shouldn't we have invaded?
Ever since the end of the Gulf War, Saddam was shooting at US planes patrolling the "no-fly" zones in Iraq.
Saddam ignored and violated 16 UN resolutions for over a decade.
Chemical weapons have been found in Iraq.
Saddam refused to allow WMD scientists to meet with UN weapons inspectors in Cyprus, and refused to allow suprise inspections.
There are satellite images of trucks loading up material and leaving inspection sites minutes before inspectors arrived. There are satellite images of convoys leaving Iraq into Syria, and a former Iraqi general has said the WMDs were sent to Syria.
Iraq is the size of California and mostly sand. We have found entire airfields buried in the sand, why not WMDs?
Iraq did not have 9/11 connections. Does that mean we can't invade. Al-Zarqawi was in Iraq, Saddam would knew, and did nothing. Maybe no direct link, but still harboring terrorists. Saddam paid the families of Palestinian suicide bombers.
Why shouldn't we have invaded?
Al-Zarqawi went to Iraq after being injured in Afghanistan for medical attention. Then he coordinated al-Qaeda operations from Iraq, before we invaded.
Also, there may be al-Qaeda camps in Afghanistan but bin Laden is directly running none of them, at least not in a way that he can't do from anywhere else in the world. He is hiding.
One last note, Bush gave Iraq a final 2 day warning to comply or be invaded. Saddam did not comply.
That was an interesting point about the saturation, but the fact that the President had to authorize it means that it was not just a simple military decision. Normally the military commanders on the ground would draw up plans for operations. Either the plan has serious political implications or the plan had not been drawn up by commanders on the ground.
I'm not neccessarily against attacking Iran or North Korea, but I am not for a ground invasion...yet. These two countries have not attacked the US directly yet, they have just been defiant. I think a surgical strike against nuclear facilities would work at this point, if diplomacy has failed.
There is democracy in Iraq. There has been at least 3 elections. The government is not stable and Iraq's military is not yet ready to stand on it's own, but they are getting there.
Military casualties: yes, they happen, it is a fact of war. My dad has already been apart of OIF and he could get deployed to Iraq in a few months. He thinks that the Iraq invasion was long overdue.
just-me-asking-u: You ask some interesting questions, some of which I have answered, but here are the rest:
We do not invade countries that are our allies, such as Saudi and Pakistan. They do not HARBOR terrorists and they are not aggressive towards the US. Timothy McVeigh came from the US, it doesn't mean that the US government produces terrorists. Terrorists are individuals and a country is cannot be held responsible for their actions unless they condone them, which they do not. Saddam and the Taliban had direct ties to terror.
The war is not about oil. Look at how much oil France and co. got from Oil-for-Food and the contracts they had lined up for after the sanctions were lifted. I wonder why the French kept fighting an invasion...
About the timing issue (hopefully my last point):
When would have been a good time? You can't know when bin Laden would have caught, or if he would have been. There will always be reason to dely an invasion. Gas prices are high, Iran is a problem, bin Laden hasn't been caught yet. This is a GLOBAL War on Terror, not bin Laden first and everyone else later.
Gary F:
Paying $25,000 to the families of every Palestinian suicide bomber sounds a lot like supporting terrorism to me. An Iraqi general under Saddam told the US that Saddam moved WMDs out of Iraq and into Syria.
I also find it interesting that you choose to cite a 2005 CIA document. Where are the 2002/2003 documents that show the same information. Also, al-Zarqawi is only one terrorist out of millions. Other terrorist were trained in Iraq in the 90's, and this is according the Iraqi documents. And the point about the airfield was to show that he could bury the evidence of nuclear weapons.
I wasn't talking about mobile chem. labs, though I've heard about them. I was talking about moving all documents and research related to WMDs out of the inspection sites just before the inspectors arrived.
Bin Laden and Saddam didn't get along. So what? Al-Qaeda is not the only terror group out there. And al-Zarqawi, a known terrorist, was in Iraq prior to the invasion.
Get shot at by SAMs is not a few pitiful missiles. At least one missile came only meters from hitting a crowed area of Kuwait City. Also several missiles were shot down by Partiots at Camp Doha, Kuwait, which means they came damn close to hitting the base my dad was stationed at.
Gary F
It was $10,000 and shortly before the war, he raised the amount to $25,000.
Mohammed Atta, a senior al-Qaeda member, requested a Baghdad office, but Saddam refused. Al-Qaeda tried to work with the man, but Saddam wouldn't have it at the time. If al-Qaeda was willing to work with Saddam, then other groups certainly would have been as well. Saddam refused Atta's request, but there are a number of reasons that he could have done so that still would have allowed him to allow other groups to train in Iraq during the 90's. "Then enemy of my enemy is my friend." Just look at the Palestinians. Historically, they have been considered the scum of the Arab world, until Israel came along.
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- Mr. BojanglesLv 51 decade agoFavorite Answer
Personally, I don't disagree with invading Iraq. I just question the timing and poor planning. You're totally right, Saddam DID have it coming. But why couldn't it have been held off for a year or more to gather support and do a bit of planning? Would a year have made that big of a difference? We still would have whooped Saddams military like nothing. Only we may have had a plan for what to do afterwards.
- just-me-asking-uLv 41 decade ago
I am supposed to be doing an essay for English Lit.- using my moms computer- so have to make short and sweet-
Why aren't we going after the countries we know have WMD (Iran, N.Korea, Syria)? No oil there
Why don't we go after the countries where the terrorists were from (Saudi Arabia, Lebanon etc)? The Bush family has ties with the royal Saudi family plus oil.
We know that OBS is in Pakistan- why are we not there?
Saddam did get what was comming to him-but at what cost?
Look at the mess in Iraq now- on the brink of civil war, more home grown terrorist there, more pissed at us and what democracy?
What about all our servicemen and women who have lost their lives? And we are still over there- for how long?
These are just my thoughts on this.
- zahir13Lv 41 decade ago
We should not have invaded Iraq because...
1. Saddam Hussein was contained. He couldn't even fly planes over parts of his own country.
2. The evidence is overwhelming there were *no* WMDs. Individual weapons could be hidden, but the infrastructure to build them cannot be. All the so-called "evidence" of WMDs has now been proven false.
3. We were already engaged militarily elsewhere. You don't open a second front without an overwhelming good reason.
4. By invading Iraq, we inflamed the rage and tensions of millions of frustrated, desperate Arabs. More, we gave Extremists a propoganda victory.
5. We didn't have anything like a good plan for what to do *after* the invasion.
6. The invasion cost us moral credibility in the eyes of the world, including our allies. Next time we claim anything, we won't be believed.
7. Invading Iraq has cost and will cost billions of dollars at a time when our deficit is at record levels--and this in return for destablizing one of the most important regions in the world.
Short answer--we didn't get anything back near what we've paid, in blood and honor and treasure. Nowhere near.
- Ford PrefectLv 71 decade ago
i read yesterday that the president authorized a "saturation" of the border of Pakistan and Afghanistan in search of Bin Ladin. Fine that he is doing so, but my point would be that if we were not already at a saturation point in search of Al Queda...why weren't we. I think it is because Iraq has overtaken the search for the terrorists that have declared war on us. If that's not enough reason to never have invaded Iraq, I can think of more, but that is enough in itself. However much I was against the war up to a couple years ago, I believe, as an American, that we must strive to leave Iraq in some semblance of order, because it will embolden our enemies if we leave...which brings me to another reason to never have gone...it puts us in a must win situation in a conflict with no guarantee of success...no matter how hard we try to win, we might fail.
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- Anonymous1 decade ago
You need to learn to keep up. The Senate Committee on prewar intelligence issued its report last week including this gem from the CIA:
October 2005 CIA assessment that prior to the war Saddam's government "DID NOT HAVE A RELATIONSHIP, HARBOR, OR TURN A BLIND EYE TOWARD ZARQAWI AND HIS ASSOCIATES."
This is not new news. Bush supporters continue to spread lies (yes, they are lies when you keep repeating them after they have been proven false) and the little Bush-pups can’t seem to get enough of this garbage.
Chemical weapons? Chemically impossible as they have finite shelf lives and deteriorate over time. Hussein did not have the capacity to replenish his supply.
Are you talking about the trucks that Bush said where mobile chemical laboratories that turned out to be used to inflate weather balloons?
Why would you be afraid of a country that buries their planes in the sand? And, they didn’t even bury them all the way. I suspect it is hard to attack anyone when you jets are full of sand.
Pay attention – there were NO terrorists in Iraq before Bush invaded.
Hussein and OBL hated and distrusted each other.
***NEWS FLASH ***
Back to that Senate Intelligence report:
It concludes that:
FINDINGS DO NOT SUPPORT: … that Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear program,
FINDINGS DO NOT SUPPORT … that Iraq possessed biological weapons or EVER DEVELOPED mobile facilities for producing biological warfare agents.
Whoops – I guess Bush is no George Washington.
Zahir13 -
Thanks for reminding me.
Yes, Hussein lobbed a few pitiful missles as our planes (on orders from Bill Clinton) patrolled the no-fly zone. But, they never hit anything and, in fact, never came close to hitting anything.
During the last war, Iraq fired at least 3 missles towards our installations in Kuwait. Oh-No! So Scary!
Whoops, they missed the whole damned country. Two of the missles just kept on going until the ran out of fuel and crashed in the water, and the third missle pulled a U-turn and landed in Iraq (do you get points for shooting yourself?).
Good thing we jumped on Iraq before it hurt itself.
Royalrunner400
I thought it was $10,000, but so what. The amount and number of times he actually paid-out is irrelevant. Lots of countries pay suicide bombers, have for a long time, and our government never lifted a finger to stop it.
Listening to ex-patriot Iraqi's played a significant role in getting us into this mess.
I wasn't talking about any specific terrorist or group either. The fact is that Saddam Hussein was a secular alcohol-swilling cigar-smoking woman-chasing hedonist who didn't care what Mohammed said because he was a I'm gonna-have-my-fun-kinda-guy.
It is also a fact that radical Islamists hate I'm gonna-have-my-fun-kinda-guys (after all - that's one of the reasons put forth for their grievance against western culture).
The two could never be allies (certainly not for long).
I'm not sure I get the point about 2002/2003 documents. I know that around that time Bush was intimating a connection, but the CIA said it was something of a stretch to draw that conclusion.
And, far from even being neutral, it seems Hussein wanted to find and arrest Zarqawi - and I don't think he wanted to invite him over for drinks and a cigar.
Royalrunner400
I'm sure that from the moment Iraq fired a missle, we had a better idea of its course, trajectory, and likely impact than did the Iraqis. My only point was that Iraq was an obviously weak country and was no threat.
And, I'm glad your dad's base wasn't hit.
Did you know that the first American soldier killed upon our movement into Iraq from Kuwait (official war-time) was killed by an Iraqi civilian driving a pickup truck and shooting out the window, not by any soldier in the Iraqi army.
This civil resistence and unrest has been there from the beginning.
We invaded their country. They don't like it. I wouldn't either.
PS - Over the past year or so I have been to Walter Reed maybe a dozen times. And, maybe you know that side of war, but most Americans certainly don't. It is impossible to see the horrible damage done to these young (they are younger than my daughter) people and not be moved.
I remember passing a young couple (husband / wife or boyfriend / girlfriend I'm sure) in a hallway. The young girl / woman had tears streaming down her face. Her husband / boyfriend did not have a face - at all - you would not recognize him as human.
Maybe they were 20 years old - at the most.
I can't even guess at the number of teenage boys I saw who will spend the rest of their lives in wheelchairs (and yes, they are iincredibly brave and strong - and yes they still have a spirit for life, having family members and friends bring them beer and racing aound the base cutting off traffic in their wheelchairs).
Every American should spend some time at a Militiary Hospital. They have a right to know the cost of what their nation is trying to buy.
- 1 decade ago
The democrats agreed on all of your points for invading Iraq. Until soldiers died and polls showed that many voters were against the war.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
because Osama bin Laden is responsible for the 9-11 attacks and he roams free,, although Bush said on 9-12 that he would hunt him down,, dead or alive,,, in 2003 he pulled the CIA off the hunt for bin Laden,, reduced our troops in Afghanistan,, while bin Laden continues terrorist training camps on the Pakistan border,, the Taliban have a larger presence there than the US.....
al Zarqawi went to Iraq after Bush invaded,, Saddam did not attack Americans,,,,,,,,,,,,
- 1 decade ago
The problem is not the invasion. The problem is we didn't use nukes to completely obliterate Iraq and anything left standing for 2000 miles around Iraq.
That whole region of the world is so psycho it is worthless.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
SPIN IT DEMS, SPIN IT
On a side note, royal runner, you have to be one of the smartest people on here. you should answer more questions that the looney lefts ask, except it actually wouldn't matter cause they can't comprehend facts