Christians and Jews; How do you think of Prophet Muhammad and muslisms?

Muslims certainly are not atheists. They are theists. Why not Islam? Because I don't believe Islam is a true revelation from God nor do I believe Mohammad was a true prophet of God. Islam and Christianity disagree drastically. They both say they are coming from God. They can't both be true, not if they disagree. One of them has to be wrong. They disagree in many, many places. Let's just take one of those disagreements. Christianity says that Jesus Christ died 2000 years ago on a cross and that's written in their Holy book, the Bible which they say is coming from God. Islam says Jesus Christ did not die on a cross 2000 years ago and that's written in their Holy book the Koran(which they also say is coming from God). My question is, what actually happened 2000 years ago? You can't have it both ways. Either he did die on a cross or he didn't die on a cross. If he did then Islam is not a true revelation from God because Islam says he didn't die on a cross and it says that's coming fromGod(can God be wrong?). If he didn't die on a cross than christianity is wrong. Why should I believe Muslim scholars who came much later(1000 years later) over the apostles and writers of the New Testament who were either eye witnesses or they got it from eye witnesses(regardless, all of them lived during that time period). Also, the church fathers and early scholars of the church all testified that he died on a cross. Even extra biblical historians such as Tacitus, Suetonius, Pliny the younger, Josephus, Thallus and other historians who lived during that time period have testified that Jesus died on a cross. Actually, the only historians that you'll ever find anywhere(religious or secular) who will say that Jesus didn't die on a cross are Muslim historians. If i'm reading an eye witness account of a speech that Richard the lion-hearted gave in about 1190AD and you come up to me and say "no, that's not what he said.....let me tell you what he really said". My answer to you is going to be "why should I believe you over him....he was an eye witness.........you came along 900 years later".

How do the Muslims explain these differences between the bible and the Koran? They say (against all evidence) that the christians and the jews deliberately corrupted the bible. I will give you a logical argument as to why this isn't true. I got this off the internet. You tell me why i'm wrong.

WHY DO MUSLIMS THINK THE TEXT OF THE BIBLE HAS BEEN CORRUPTED?

1. The Quran declares the Bible to be a true revelation of

God and demands faith in the Bible.

Sura 2:40-42,126,136,285; 3:3,71,93; 4:47,136; 5:47-51,

69,71-72; 6:91; 10:37,94; 21:7; 29:45,46; 35:31; 46:11

a. All these above texts presuppose the availability of the

true revelation of God to the people of Muhammad's day.

Sura 3:71,93; 10:94; 21:71

b. A true Muslim is obliged to believe in all the

revelations of God. Sura 2:136; 4:136; 29:46

c. The Quran makes no distinction between God's revelations

Sura 2:136

2. The Quran claims that NO ONE can change the Word of God.

Sura 6:34; 10:34

BUT,

3. The Bible and the Quran do not agree.

The Bible and the Quran differ widely on fundamental concepts

of faith and practice.

BUT,

4. Since the Bible existed before the Quran the burden of proof

is upon the Muslim to prove that the Bible is incorrect AND

that the Quran is correct.

a. The Bible was completed 500 years before the Quran was

revealed to Muhammad. If someone today wrote a book that

contradicts a historical document written at the time of

an event that took place in 1497 the person who wrote the

second book would have to be able to prove the older

document was false AND also prove its facts were true.

b. The document written at the time of the event would not

have to prove itself against a latter document. This is

neither logical, rational or true to the principles of

the science of history.

c. Merely proving that the older document was not accurate

also does not by default mean the newer document is true.

It must stand on its own and prove itself.

WHY DO MUSLIMS BELIEVE THE BIBLE IS CORRUPTED?

5. In 1064, Ibn-Khazem, FIRST charged that the Bible had been

corrupted and the Bible falsified. This charge was to defend

Islam against Christianity because Ibn-Khazem come upon

differences and contradiction between the Bible and the

Quran. Believing, by faith that the Quran was true, the Bible

must then be false. He said, "Since the Quran must be true it

must be the conflicting Gospel texts that are false. But

Muhammad tells us to respect the Gospel. Therefore, the

present text must have been falsified by the Christians after

the time of Muhammad."

His argument was not based on any evidence or historical facts

but only on his personal faith, reasoning and desire to

safeguard the Quran.

This led him to teach that, "The Christians lost the revealed

Gospel except for a few traces which God has left intact as

argument against them."

BUT,

6. Many great MUSLIM teachers DO NOT believe the Bible has been

corrupted and ACCEPT the authenticity of our PRESENT New

Testament texts.

a. Ali al-Tabari (died 855) accepted the Gospel texts

b. Amr al-Ghakhiz (869) " " " "

c. BUKHARI (810-870) " " " "

(he gathered some of the earliest tradition of Islam

quoted the Quran itself to support his belief in the text

of the Bible Sura 3:72,78)

d. Al-Mas'udi (956) " " " "

e. Abu Ali Husain Bin Sina (1037)" " "

f. AL-GHAZZALI (1111) " " " "

(probably the greatest Muslim scholar he lived after Ibn-

Khazem but did not accept his teachings)

g. Ibn-Khaldun (1406) " " " " " "

(he lived after Ibn-Khazem but did not accept his

teachings but rather believed the earlier Islamic

teachers.)

h. Sir Sayyid Ahmad Khan, founder of the Aligarh College

"In the opinion of us Mohammedans it is not proved that

corruption (tahrif-i-lafzi)...was practiced."

i. Fakhruddin Razi, on the authority of Ibn Abbas, a nephew

of Muhammed, "The Jews and early Christians were

suspected of altering the text of the Taurat and Injil;

but in the opinion of eminent doctors and theologians it

was not practicable thus to corrupt the text, because

those Scriptures were generally known and widely

circulated, having been handed down from generation to

generation."

SO,

WHY do YOU believe the Bible text has been corrupted?

WHY do you believe Ibn-Khazem rather then the witness of the Quran,

the word of Muhammad, and these 10 great Muslim scholars who

all believed the Bible texts to be truthful?

WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT ARGUMENT?

The Islamic religion teaches that Jesus Christ was a practicing Muslim(despite the fact that islam had not come into existence for another 600 years). The Koran implies in sura 4:157, that God causes someone who looked like Jesus to die on the cross in his place, therefore tricking the apostles of Christ and His mother Mary into thinking he was crucified. But that says that the rise of Christianity to the largest religion in the world is ultimately the result of the divine action of Allah? Even the bible says that the resurrection is the foundation for the christian religion. The early christians simply would not have died for their faith by the millions simply to spread a faith founded by a crucified Messiah. The thing that energized them was their confidence that He had risen from the dead to prove He was actually the prophecized Messiah. If the resurrection was just a deception that Allah was involved in(as the Koran says) then Allah is responsible for christianity. Therefore, muslims shouldn't be killing christians all over the world since their god brought christianity into existence. But, as I said before, christianity and Islam diametrically contradict each other. The laws of logic say they can't both be true. But if only one is true and Allah is god and Allah brought christianity into existence, then christianity must be true and Islam must be false.

Islamics are sincere. But you can be sincerely wrong. I believe that in the end times(which I believe we are living in today) many Islamics are going to come to faith in their true prophet, Jesus, the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords and the Almighty God. Isaiah 19:23-25 (which is talking about the coming Messiah) says

" In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrians will come into Egypt and the Egyptians into Assyria, and the Egyptians will worship with the Assyrians.

In that day Israel will be the third party with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing in the midst of the earth,

whom the LORD of hosts has blessed, saying, Blessed is Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance."

i am a christian,

i believe muslims are a branch off from the old jewish law through moses. trouble is that some false prophet or prophets has injected false miss leading lies.i heard somewhere but can"t quote so i dont know if true, that they branched with esau. we get these false prophets in christrianity as well. they are always saying hey look at me iam gods anointed one! follow me because without me you will surely be led astray and dammed!- because you need me to

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Christian: I do not believe in anything that doesn't line up with the Bible, whether it be the Q'uran or another book. I consider atheists people who do not believe in God. I consider Muslims people who, unfortunately, have been deceived. I am perfectly capable of having a friendship with a non-extremist Muslim nonetheless.

Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

I don't know Prophet Muhammad so I can't say too much about that, I have known two Muslims in my life and they were both good people they love me and I love them religion was never mentioned come to think of it, only a love for God. God Bless

I will agree to disagree with you when it comes to if Muhammad was a prophet.

as for Muslims and Islam in general I think that its a good religion and I have respect for those who follow it.

I find it unfortunate though that many Muslim thugs and criminals use it to promote violence and their own power. If more Muslims were like many of those in the western world and Muslim governments were like Turkey we would be very close to world peace.

How this can happen though I am at a loss. I regrettably see only bloodshed and violence on both sides for the foreseeable future.

I am Jewish btw

For me Muhammad is a real historical being who lived the 7th century and brought up some new codes written in the Koran (is it proper written?) so resulting in a new religion with but the difference is that:

we believe in the one and the real God

you believe in the one ( but is real?) God.

Orthodox Christian.

Listen, either they will not believe he existed or they believe he existed but he was a normal clever guy. Otherwise, they would have joined us!

Plus for the crusade who says muslims worship a stone, better read trusted sources. And try to see what your eyes don't see. You worship the cross and Jews worship to the direction of the Western Wall, does this mean you worship the stones?

Hi!

I'm a christian, and all the muslims I've met are nice people with a family, job, children and a life no different than mine. We don't believe the same things, and as far as I can tell there's no use in trying to change that.

Muhammad was no prophet. He was a murdering, thieving, robbing child-rapist. He never repented of his many crimes; he just called them acts of righteousness and murdered everyone who disagreed with him. Islam, by his commands, has historically been spread and maintained by violence, terror, murder, and oppression. The true God--the God of love, peace, and mercy--has no use for such tactics or such so-called "prophets". To revel in bloodshed and celebrate others' suffering is the hallmark of Satan and no one else. That's why I think Muslims are servants of evil. A murdering bandit who talks about God is still a murdering bandit.

He was no prophet sent by God

Just he had idea's from Christianity and old testament by traveling in Christian countries and to the Israel because of his job

(Merchant) and he mixed Christianity and Judaism and he made a fake religion under name of Islam which means peace. but you can't see any sign of peace in this religion,