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When thinking about choice and cognition from the evolutionary perspective, I am led to one of two conclusions, and I wonder what you think about them. Supposing that cognition is evolved, it seems that there must be no real thing as choice or that there is some thing or some power that can supersede the physical and chemical reactions that drive our bodies.

We clearly perceive that we think, but in the first possibility we really are just governed by chemical reactions and have no choice. We ate the cereal this morning and wore the blue suit, because that is the result of millions of complex chemical reactions. We follow the latest fashion trends, because we are somehow chemically driven to do so. Since we do perceive that we think, cognition must simply be a big processing unit of all these reactions and in the gathering of sound, light and pressure, the experience of cognition is created, although it really has no control over any of the elements.

Update:

On the other hand, we may actually be able to exercise some control over these chemical reactions. We may have some ability to send an electronic signal to the fingers so they will move over the keys of the keyboard and type on keys that produce symbols on a screen which are then meshed together to create meaning which is then interpreted. There is some thing or power that we have never seen nor felt nor accounted for in physics that dominates all of these other elements and provides us the opportunity to choose.

I know this is very wordy and complex, but what do you think about this? Do you have any alternative explanations? I have only thought about this, since I was typing it, so it is possible that there are other explanations.

Update 2:

You may be wondering why this is in R&S and not some category made especially for crazy rants. I am curious which theory you find more believable. I believe the second one, and I also think that those who do believe the second one are admitting to the validity of every theist's argument.

Update 3:

FERI and others who don't want to read: Do you believe that all cognition is merely the combination of physical stimuli and our actions are inevitable and simply a reaction to the stimuli. (You really didn't choose to were the colors you did today) or do you believe that there is some active, but immeasurable, force that allows us to control our bodies?

Update 4:

Heaven Mermaid: It sounds like you are supporting the second theory. Or are you saying that it is the first one, but every person has different conditions? I think that would have to be a necessary for the first one to be a valid belief.

Ra: Your point about only so much we can prove is partially what I was getting at, and I agree with you totally. There is only so much science can prove.

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  • 1 decade ago
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    firm belief in something for which there is no proof is the definition of faith. And in that definition is the answer to your question. Or as Rah put it some things just are not meant to be answered.

  • 1 decade ago

    I think that the whole is more than the sum of it's parts. Yes, our brains involve trillions of chemical reactions, electrical signals, etc. But the result of this is something more than just chemicals and electrical signals. We can have the freedom of choice because rational thought emerges from these reactions and signals. This allows us to choose. I don't believe that there is some sort of power outside of ourselves that controls it.

    Your position would be accurate, if it was really a choice between the two things that you described, but it's not. Or at least, not as you explained the first option. In biology, this is called "emergent properties". It was a very interesting post, though.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    Look it is not a rule that guides the life you gave an example about following the latest fashion or doing the things that we do usually every day, about me I do the opposite like if the fashion is bright colors I wear the darkest color I may find and I go to school everyday but one of the days I may think of just being absent for one day.

    Somehow it depends on the personality like what is too complicated for you is really easy and simple for other people. There is no rule for what you said every rule has some odds.

  • 1 decade ago

    If living things starts out as very simple structures of chemical, evolution of cognition will make sense. There weren't much decision to require complex chemical reaction. Human organism, or we can include animals also, conceived with the complex nucleus of the egg and the sperm already involve complex decisions as evidence in the combination of DNA. We are further evolved than primitive single cell organism. Most decisions are stored in our DNA.

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  • I see what your saying and it's a good question. I enjoy looking at all the odd possibilities of life.

    One that makes the most sense to me is basically what Descartes (sp?) said: I think therefore I am. Imagine this for a moment: We only exist as thoughts. Everyone and everything in the world is a thought. It was explained to me by someone in a philosophy board. Basically there is a "God Mind" that can think of everything that exists at once. For example he's thinking about me sitting in my chair and the words coming on my computer screen and the soccer ball on the floor and the jeans hanging in my closet, therefore, they are all there. If he decided to stop thinking about soccer balls all together, they wouldn't exist anymore.

    Now obviously, this is a theistic idea. But it does make some kind of sense. Think about it, no one has ever thought of anything that no one's thought of, because the moment you think of something, it has been thought of. (That was difficult to type haha)

    This would also explain people who have "supernatural powers". Like the kid in The Matrix who could bend the spoon. Maybe he's more in touch with the "God Mind", therefore, when he thinks of the spoon bending, it happens.

    I know this didn't answer your question, I just wanted to give you something else to think about.

  • 1 decade ago

    I think about this all the time.

    One starts to wonder whether or not the mere idea of "a God" may just be "the result of millions of complex chemical reactions."

    I think this is one example of some of the driving forces of agnosticism, especially for scientists. On one hand, one can't help but want to find out the truth about God, on the grandeur scale of things. But on the other, one starts to realize that at least at our current stage in human thought, we have indeed reached our limit. That is...

    We can only prove so much.

  • rezany
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    1 decade ago

    Understanding evolves; direct opposition by a catalyst requires a reaction. There is no real choice because God supersedes the physical and chemical reactions.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    There is no external source. There is no such thing as choice. We think what we think because of the effect of certain things on other things. Just like if I say not to think of a pink elephant you have no choice but to think of the pink elephant. When you smell a smell it may elicit a memory from childhood without your having chosen to remember recall it or even remember it in the first place. Your "chosing" to wear the blue suit is based on a chain of thoughts that spontaneously flow from one thought to another. It may seem nice to be able to think about it, but you're not thinking about it. you brain is just following a path....

    This leads us into learning, neural connections and a whole lot of other stuff I really don't want to get into right now.

  • 1 decade ago

    This is western v eastern philosophical debate. Descartes symbolizes western culture: I think therefore I am.

    Asia says: I am therefore I think.

    Does the mind come from the physical world or does the physical world come into existance because of the mind?

    "If a tree fell in the forest with nobody around to hear it, would it make a sound?"

  • 1 decade ago

    But if everything is a chemical reacton, and it is clearly a chemical reaction - we can have no choice in how things world. There is still no free will. God may have made our brains able to fire chemical reactions until our deaths, but he did not give us free will.

  • 1 decade ago

    yes! someone who thinks! and thinks about something worth thinking! i've been ruminating on this for quite a while and still haven't found a satisfying answer. i want to believe your second option very much, but it's difficult to even guess. while it's somewhat upsetting to learn that a majority of one's reactions are determined simply by synapses, i can't help but believe that we have a certain level of control over it.

    just an opinion. didn't answer your question at all.

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