MUSLIMS...LET'S TAlK COMMON SENSE.?

You're right, there was no need for another prophet. Jesus said to be aware of false prophets and that was all muhammad was.

you know the dead sea scrolls and etc. but u know what? there are MORE THAN 24000 manuscripts and NO TWO ARE IDENTICAL.

and lets talk abt your bible versions. yes versions. not translations.

are you aware that the ascension of jesus was taken out from the bible then put back in??

why not find contradictions in the quran and try to find one. becos you will never. but before you think the verse in the quran contradicts itself, do read the CONTEXT first.

and abt the verse you quoted:

1 John 2:22 Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ (Messiah). Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father (God) and the Son. 23: No one who denies the Son has the Father (God).

obviously you know nothing about islam. becos muslims believe that jesus is the messiah. but jesus is not god.

AND jesus isnt the ONLY SON of god in the bible. READ the bible and you will see that many other prophets are also called son of god.

Let us say that the Bible is not corrupt but it does not seem scientific.

According to the Bible, Book of Genesis,

chapter 1, verses 11-13,

Vegetation was created on the third day along with seed-bearing grasses, plants and trees; and further on as per verses 14-19, the sun was created on the fourth day. How is it scientifically possible for the vegetation to have appeared without the presence of the sun, as it has been stated in the Bible?

It also says light is created on the first day where as the source of light 'The Sun' is created on the fourth day. How is this scientifically possible?

If Bible is the word of Divine God He should not make mistakes while describing evolution. Check it yourself. I don't want to discuss other Bible contradictions.

In the Qur'an there is a verse: Indeed this is a book well protected.

Ever since the Qur'an was revealed to Muhammad PBuH through Angel Gabriel, no matter what side of the globe we come from, we Muslims [Moslems,whatever] are ordered to recite it in its original language only. Any interpretations of the Qur'an are solely purposed to get an understanding of the verses, which can never be completely accurate because the Qur'an's interpretation itself changes and matches our ever-changing daily lives, (not the text but the meaning behind each text). Therefore, in understanding the Qur'an we must be clean and open, body and mind. The language of the Qur'an is a highly poetic form Arabic and is difficult to find its exact meaning in any human language even Arabic itself, let alone English, which is a language based on logic and science. Logic and science are God's secrets that are revealed to us. But as limited beings our understanding of things are, too, limited.

I believe the Qur'an is a miracle safely guarded. So no matter how many arguments or debates people can put against it, the Qur'an will always stay the same, because Allah, the God of Jesus and Moses and David and Muhammad, is the OmniPotent force guaranteeing Its originality. And for this, I can't argue... all I can do is believe it with all my heart. Insya Allah...

And regarding, someone who said: be prepared for hate-mails and such. Well, this is the world we live in. Be it Jews, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists or any religion, doesn't mean that all of its believers are pure saints. So don't go generalizing and stereotyping something you haven't gotten the whole picture about yet.

Common Sense is something the Republicans did not have, and Common Sense is something the Democrats do not have enough to solve the Common Sense problems that are ruining America.

I think u don't know this. But it is a FACT that many Christian scolors now ADMIT that the bible is corrupted. They have even published a new "Revised Edition" of the bible.

N if the bible is not corrupted, how come there so many versions of it??

no. other people changed the contents of the bible. the bible and the koran are nearly the same. but other people changed the bible and would not accept the fact the muhammad was the last prophet. and christ is not the son of God, christ is a prophet but the one that jews killed was actually his student not christ.

Your surprise me!! What has Islam done to you to make you so hostile towards the whole religion?

There are several rebuttels to your supposedly winning arguments but no point in going in a lenghty dabate. Only the following with suffice:

Muslims DO believe that Bible is a word of God. However, have you ever heard the term, "lost in translation". The language in which it was revealed is not a living language any more and through translation several mistakes have the potential of creeping in.

Quran endorses everything in the Bible and the revelations before Bible.

Beleiving that Jesus was a prophet of God is fundamental to Islam. YOu cannot be a Muslim unless you bleieve Jesus to be God's prophet and respect him utmost.

God does not have a "name" for your inofrmation. Allah also means God. There are several "names" for God in different languages like for example "khuda" in persian. Allah is used widely by Muslims as its the word used in Quran and also because it best describes God. "The " one worthy of being worshipeed. Its like god vs God.

And an advice for you: If you DO want to study religion, study objectively. Don't succumb to every nonsense that is offered by fundamentalist Christian sites or information centres. And "common sense" is exactly what you are not talking. You will not find any religion in the world which is so much based on common sense. This is what even objective secularists say. People sometimes find Islam so much logical that used to only the spiritually in religion they sometimes say its like code of law. So be objective, not biased. Before shunning a thing, you should at least know what it is.

Here are some item for your reading:

http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

http://www.cesame-nm.org/index.php?name=Sections&r...

http://www.atheists.org/christianity/didjesusexist...

http://www.jamaat.net/bible/Bible1-3.html

From your supposed scientific evidence:

"with the exception of a few inconsequential discrepancies that have been introduced over time through copyist error. . These 40 lines represent one quarter of one percent of the entire text and do not in any way affect the teaching and doctrine of the New Testament"

And we supposed to believe these are words of god? Shouldn't it be 100% & not 99% tampered-proof since god promise it (according to your bible)? or did your god lied?

And which historian(s) have proven your bible to be the same? If I'm not mistaken, there are also bible for Protestant and for Catholic which are 2 different bible. So which bible are you referring too?

btw there is no mentioned of Jesus in Quran, only Prophet Isa.

God gives you brain to think then THINK! If not, be a monkey.

I want people who say anti-Islam is immature to have a look at this. To the asker, if you feel like beating me up with this with one of your little "add details" things, please feel free to do so.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/new...

I'm not saying all Muslims are bad....

But are we to forget the 6 million people slaughtered just to cater to Allah?

Apparently, we are.

Are we to forget what fourteen-million allied soldiers died for, to bring an end to the topic above?

Apparently, we are.

I'm sick of this, and HERE IS WHERE WE DRAW THE LINE.

The Bible ISN'T the same as it was thousands of years ago, it's been translated FAR too many times for that. Context changes dramatically with translation. Plus the Bible is filled with contradictions from the OT to the NT. Even verses in the NT contradict each other in the next verse! How many contradictions in the Qur'an? None. I don't believe in Allah but at least they got their stuff straight.