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omaha hi/lo pl and fixed strategies to prevent being quartered.?
I have been picking up on omaha rather fast, and one thing I have not been able to figure out is preventing quartering or a better understanding of how its better to be quartered then to fold.
Take the given scenario for example:
my hand: AA23 double suited
board comes 5567K rainbow
Through each step in pl and fixed what would be your best assuming one player is playing high(theoretically take XX55) and another player holds A2XX.
Being that the A2XX player is unlikely to fold given they have nut low and that XX55 player will not fold given he has the nut low.
I know position is important so just kind of break it down by positions as well if possible.
Basically what I am asking is in pl and fixed is it better to allow the quarter to maximize possible return of investment, or is it best to fold your option to reduce any further loses.
Thank you.
Thank you.
2 Answers
- sincity usaLv 71 decade agoFavorite Answer
Well first of all you don't want to have the low, unless it's the nut low, you are going to chop more with the low then the high in the first place anyways. You should never chase the low for the most-part, because you are going to miss the low more times then you hit them, and when you do make the low you to often have to chop the pot with the other low out there, so it is not worth the cost vs what you will make to Chase lows in the first place. If i chase the low, i want it to be the nut low, and i want to be making my high hand as well, to many people will only have a low draw, and no high draw to go with it, this is no way to play winning h/l split, i would never play for just half of a pot. I want to win the whole pot, so i have to have a good high hand as well as a good low in order to play all the way to the river with it, that way if my low is no good, or if i have to split the low i still have a shot to win the high as well, making it worth it to chase my low, since i have a strong high hand as well. I treat low draws by themselves like flush and straight draws, if the price is good and cheap then play, and if not then get out of the way. With your example of A-A-2-3 on a board of 5567k, is what i am talking about, you only have a shot to win the low here and nothing else, if you think your aces are good in a multi-way pot here your nuts. You want to have a better hand for the high then that to justify going after a pot. There are so many draws and full houses that have you crushed it its not wise to play here. So what if you have the low, but so does another guy,, opps you just lost money on the hand. Now lets say you have A-2-K-K, now you are going to win 3/4 of the pot, thats a lot better then 25 or 50% of the pot. EDIT: The poster below misread what i am saying, im not saying you should not call an bet with the nut low, im just saying it is good to have a good high hand draw when you do decide to play here, the nut low is not all that great when you are getting a quarter of the pot, and you have no high hand with it.
- Vegas MattLv 71 decade ago
The last poster is not quite right. You should not chase the low hand to start with, but once you get to the river, folding is usually not the best play.
If the high hand pot-raises, and you play after him but before the other low hand, you should pot raise most of the time. Let's say the original pot had $100 in it. The high hand bets $100 and you raise another $200. Now there's $400 in the pot, and the high hand is most certainly going to call or raise again. The other low hand SHOULD fold here, because he would need to call at least $300 (assuming the high hand just calls) and would only get back $250. The danger here is if he has a significantly larger stack that you. If he then pot raises you (for $700) and you cannot afford to pot raise back higher than he can afford to go, You've put yourself in a situation where it is no longer statistically a good play to call and you just gave away a lot of chips. (there is a chance the high hand would fold at this point thinking one of you picked up KKK55 or quads but we'll assume he calls or raises everything). But really, this is not a great play on his part because at this point you might just throw the rest of your chips in since you've committed so much, and will be looking to get some chips back.
If your places are switched with the other low hand and he raises into you, go ahead and fold. He's showing aggression, and is not likely to fold if you raise back into him. If he calls the high hand's bet and he's been a passive player, you again might want to pot raise. This may cause the high hand to re-raise, and the other guy with the low hand again SHOULD fold. But, just calling is not that bad a play. You'll just get your bet right back, assuming there is no rake. If there is a rake, fold since you'll be losing a small amount.
If you are first to play and the high hand is second and you know he will re-raise you, raising is a good idea. Again, this should chase the other low hand out of the pot.
All of this is assuming you can get the other low hand off the pot if there's too much money put in. If you're sure he's a weak player that will call or check anything, never raise.
When smaller bets are being made (i.e. not pot bets) you have to use your judgment, but most often should just check or call a single raise. If you're at a limit table, just go ahead and call it down. The other low hand should never raise (unless he's an idiot), and you're getting some of your money back from the main pot.
BTW, whoever keeps giving my posts a thumbs down is an idiot. Get a life.