A question to guys and girls in Egypt.....n everywhere else ??

i always think, who gives them the right to do that and who do they think they are, when i asked a good friend of mine of the opposite sex he said, they are trying their luck, and you are right, what goes around comes around, if you allow this behavior it will touch all regardless, there was this ad on tv thank god they stopped showing it, easy moozoo, as one of my husband's friends was joking, i said would you be happy if someone says that to your wife, and his answer was, so what..

we are in a state of rapid decadence, where many have adopted new morals, which have nothing to do with morals, another guy when he was joking about massages and how he is going to get massages (insinuation) i asked him would you like it if your wife did the same, with this disgusted look on his face, be2araf, he answered, she can do whatever she wants

dear, it is bad

they broke the ties and have no limits, the number of those who cheat, who have second wives, actually it's very a la mode today, whores marry their clients 3orfi and some even marry legally, and allow their wives whatever as long as they do what they want, you just have to open your eyes a little and talk to people, you will be amazed, i hope it's just a phase, just like in politics when we were communists and then enfeta73eyeen, let me give you another example, i have this beautiful dog, when i walk him, what kind of remarks do i get all the time from all sorts of people, i hope i don't shock you, but just to give you an idea on how the brain functions, they say, beyel7as ?

dear, it is bad

one day i was goint to the yacht club which is near the 2al3a, the citadel, there are many tourists there and also school trips, i was wearing dark blue jeans and dark blue wide and long shirt with sleeves, it was still a bit cold, flat shoes and i rarely put make up, so i had no make up and i always walk very fast like i'm in the army, anyway this guy selling necklaces made out of shells was walking next to a line of school girls and as they were crossing the road i had to take a turn right to let them pass and i came close to the guy selling the necklaces

i had sometime back seen amr adeeb on cairo today saying that the only way to stop harassment is by reacting to it, which is true, and as this guy pinched my breast, i made a scene, thankly it being a touristic spot there were police officers, they caught the guy and what happened was amazing and scary, about 20 or so of other sellers jumped on us, all shouting at me, some saying this guy would never do such a thing, that he prays all the forood at the mosque

when my daughter comes home telling me that some annoy her and that she would beat them with her belt i would get scared senseless because you never know what these guys might do, strike her with a knife, matwa, track her and throw mayet nar at her, hard to decide what's the best reaction, depends on the action itself, if they are just words, best to pretend you heard nothing, sometimes if there's a 3askary near by, scares them if you walk up to him

come to think about it, things like that rob you of your freedom, but i fight back, i like walking on the corniche, i live near by it so i put my sports shoe on some very wide pants and t-shirt and walk...some would follow on foot, by car, the remarks you get from all, even women, putting you down, all this is very frustrating and sick, it's like people have nothing on or in their mind, and i would say to myself, they won't stop me from doing my walks, i have the right to this pavement just as much as they do

its a good question and i admire your spark for asking it but there will not be many answers from guys who are likely to grab a women on the street, they are too busy grabbing any passing female.

All i will say is that it will not get any better, the system is set up for oppression of women, is there a female police officer that you can go in and tell her you have been sexually harassed? no women cant even go into the police station alone no matter what has happened to them, its not safe.

I live in a non Muslim country and i sometimes wonder who got the Islam because if someone touched me here i would call the police on my phone, in the street and they would come and arrest the man. As the years go by i see this problem getting worse in Egypt it is worse now than it was even two years ago or five years ago or more.

I used to think that an outreach programme where people go and talk to boys in schools about the issue to prevent them doing it was a good idea but i realised that the powers that be would never let it happen after all who sexually harasses Khadija or Suzanne when they are attending the Paris fashion shows?

Oh darling I will answer this Q because I am an Egyptian young boy , , maybe I did that,30 years ago but in a polite way, hahaha,

Although Egypt is enjoying an open society, but still most of the people can not afford to have a real social life ,where males and female can interact together in a healthy way, Only rich Egyptians can join social clubs/or going to places where they can meet, (forget now the schools or universities ), as they were not meant to create this interaction especially now

.Few girls will find that: hooking a man in the street, is a way to make money, and they can be even veiled,,, (and they act at first as if they reject the boys, but then they accept,) The majority of boys will mix between these girls and the girls who do not really into this *business*(How can they know?)

The problem is: there is no healthy social interactive relation between genders for many reasons: as I mentioned above, the social clubs are accessories and only affordable by a certain class of the society, the extreme which is spreading in the society either to the right and /or to the left, the limit freedom giving by (lets say less educated families) to there children, the taboo which only appeared in Egypt in early 80's , ,,,all those reasons lead to limit the healthy relations between boys and girls, 'The no hope in the future feeling ' and the weak financial capabilities , high cost of marriage , , create what we call 'sexual frustration',, which drove boys and girls to find in the street relations, a way to escape their uncertain future

Ps Do you know that there are 8 millions spinsters? In Egypt who are over 30,

Chatting in the internet became now a replacement of the social interaction between genders in Egypt, that also ring a warning bell, because of the danger of cyber relations both, physically and psychotically

Hello Nada,

I have a story to tell u, a few years back during Ramadan, i was walking out of a supermarket, carrying bags of grocerries wearing very loose maternity clothes coz i was 8 months pregnant and about to explode.

There was absolutely nothing in the way i looked that was revealing or provoking to have a man actually come up behind me in his car, honk that famous honk (yekhreb beitek genntenny), keep on following me down the street to my parked car which was parked on the other side of the street next to the bank i worked in.

All my collegues who were going home at the same time saw what was happening and strange enough i was the one who felt embaressed like i must have done something wrong.

The guy wouldn't go away and started yelling obscene remarks which made things even more embarssing for me to the point that i got into my car I actually cried, it was so humiliating.

So the bottom line is that everyone faces these harrasements no matter how decent u r. Just ignore them and don't even think people will look down at u coz i guess they have already faced this ordeal too.

Asalam alaikum, excellan question and some very good answers....Ive nearly gotten in fist fights on the bus a time or two from men turning around in their seats to stare at my wife. (im 43 she is 24) Remember muslims, the first look is yours the next is the shaiytan's....

Also if sisters had a mahram around more often, this might decrease it.....and someone made the point that it is tooo diffficult to get married..this absolutely correct. So when u combine the following its not surprising these things occur.

(in no particular order

1. Dirty music 2. Dirty movies 3. Dirty advertising everywhere 4. Boys whos parents didnt teach them about respect of women in Islam 5. Girls whos parents didnt teach them about hijab and NOT wearing hijab with makeup and butt tight jeans. 6. Being so expensive to get married but most of all lack of Taqwa

I think it is hard for some guys because it is expensive to get married.

But it is NO excuse they must follow their Islam ( or Christianity if Christian).

It is hard for girls too, but they do they bit they act modest and don't go around chasing boys. SO GUYS SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THE SAME.

They must follow Qur'an about gazing down, when they see a woman especially as most Egyptian women wear hijab. It is soooooooooo rude when a guy trys chasing a hijabi girl.

I was in Egypt as a tourist and it shocked me how much rude SOME men were. Do they really think a respectable woman would make 'friends' with a guy she meets on a street??? What kind of woman does that. These guys are degrading themselves by acting in this immoral manner.

ok nada, let me ask you a question first, can you honestly tell me you have never looked at a young man and thought ohhh hes nice.

if you answer no to this then i think i am extremely surprised and not convinced you are telling yourself the truth.

if you answer yes, then the main difference between you and these other men is you are polite enough to keep your thoughts to your self and they sometimes are not.

It is a natural instinct in all humans to look for a partner and part of that instinct is to find the best possible partner you can. That includes finding one that is young and fit enough to give birth to healthy children. That's just instinct and the way we are made. If we didn't have this instinct we would not exist.

now as women we are taught that it is incorrect to acknowledge this, that we should not take any notice. we are also taught not to openly admire men, yet secretly we do, we look at them just as much as they look at us. maybe we do it on TV or in photos, but we still look.

does that make us disgusting too. men like to admire women and we like to admire men, i agree that really obvious looking is uncomfortable and situations like the one Hope describes show that some men can be animals, they are as you say disgusting. so ignore them when they are like that, its their problem not yours.

for the rest be happy that you are beautiful enough to attract admiring looks, cos it wont be long before you are too old too attract anything and then believe it or not you will miss it.

i know you dont belive me now, but you will see.

Well Nada, as usuall let me analyze the situation into different parts.

1- Men look at girls, this is part of our genetics. Sorry if I shocked you but we really can't help it.

2- what we do next is really what makes us different. Some would just turn their eyes away after the first look, feeling usually guilty.

3- some will just go on lookin, not in a disrespectful way or anything, but just enjoying a beautiful sight assuming they do no harm. (who wouldn't)

4- Others will take it a bit farther, looking in a kind of nasty way.

5- The more dispicable are those who will even take this to the extent and whistle or evn try to interact directly although the girl herself might not encourage this or want it. They most probably know that they'll get nothing from this, but still they go blindly after their instincts. It's just not right and shows the level of moral degradation we have reached all as a community.

Having said that, and just to be fair to all sexes, some girls act as if they could use some attention too. others do engage in similar activities like the one described in my 5 points above, although on a smaller scale than boys.

If you ask me my oppinion, I see no harm in 2- and 3- as long as one is not overstepping his limits.

nada stay away from ismaily , I don't like it when you talk about football , and I really get sad when ismaily damoh yet7ere2 cz of some players that only care for their paying cheques .

as for ur question : I do empathy for girls , guys are becoming more rude , but also did you think bad girls dress like in films , they dress very normal [ even sometimes neqab ] but they are not going to bother you any more if you just ignore them , also about the looking thing , I think no one is thinking the good way you think .

in this answer I didn't talk about my self I'm not anything like that you mentioned , I'm just giving you an opinion from what I see .

When I lived in France there were tons of Muslims and I found it kind of odd that they would be following me down the street even when I was covered (I was doing it on and off at that point since I had recently converted)....it was quite flattering but yeah, weird!

They would be shouting at me down the street! But one time it was nice a guy came up to me and asked me if I prayed and if I was married or engaged cuz he was looking for a wife.

I found it really odd (the shouting, following etc)...is that how a Muslim finds a mate?

. I was in Egypt twice(and have to go there again and again).My husband is Egyptian-Muslim,I'm Ukrainian-American christian,my first time there shocking and i am not wearing something like that,normal clothes,like jeans,capri cause i don't want to have atention in there.when I'm in Egypt i go with my husband everywhere and guys are usually not staring cause(they are afraid to get hurt so badly).But not only guys are like that,a lots of girls are the same.they are just sturing at you cause you are beutiful and not from Egypt.Some Egyptian girls are wearing worst than non-Egyptian but nobody gives a s..... We just don't have to pay atentian for this.