Why are so many people paying to get her illegally?

they don't pay those thousands of dollars upfront, they end up owing it to someone who only lets them work it off at rates way below minimum wage and pitiful working conditions, charging them interest rates and any extra fees they can dream up. They're basicly working as slaves for the people that helped them in.

first of all, they pay anywhere between $3-4,500 per person. They will usually sell what they can in their home countries & borrow the rest from friends/family in the United States & pay it back when they are working here. Then, when they get here some get paid under the table & some go to staffing agencies and work 12 hour days 6 days a week or possibly two jobs at a time.

I ask u this, is it easier to borrow & pay $3500 at once than to wait 10 yrs making $40-50 dollars a week all the while trying to raise a family. I think the first option is obviously what many of these ppl do, its called realism.

on the other hand, legal residents or citizens who lend out their SSN to receive SS when they retire, well lets just say who is calling the kettle black with both parties committing fraud. Do you seriously know how many legal residents/citizens lend out their documents so that someone can contribute to their SS funds. Please, the reality is that sometimes both US citizens and illegals partake in very illegal and criminal transactions, but in either case both win considering the illegal will be able to work & the resident/citizen will receive money for SS in the long run reaping the gains of the illegals labor (illegal wont ever touch SS he has earned since its not his name he's using).

OK - I'm from Arizona, and I know how this stuff works.... We see it all the time here.

Yes, they do pay that kind of money to have a human smuggler (a "coyote") bring them in. Where do they get the money? Many of them sell what little they have, or they get "loans" from predatory loanshark types that they have to pay back when they start working in the U.S.

There is *huge* money in human trafficing. What the trafficers do is buy houses in quiet suburban neighborhoods and use them as "safe houses" to keep the illegals in until they are ready to be shipped out to their final destinations. Occasionally an illegal holding house is discovered by the authorities and you see it on the TV news, sometimes as many as 80 to 100 people crammed into a house waiting to be picked up and shipped to wherever the employers who hire them need them.

You can get fake driver's licenses, Social Security cards, etc. at places in Mexico just before you cross the border. You don't actually buy them to keep for good. What you're doing is actually "renting" the IDs to help you get across the border - Once you are across, they are taken back and used again by someone else who pays to use them.

The real problem here is Mexico - if they'd do a better job of making their country a place of equal opportunity for all, with jobs, work, and education available to all, I don't think you'd see as much of this happening. Right now it's like most Latin American countries - most of the wealth is concentrated in the hands of a very small elite, no middle class to speak of, and the majority are impoverished, illiterate peasants. Those are the people you see risking their necks to get here. And the Mexican government allows it because it's sort of a social "safety valve" for them. They can export their poverty and ill conditions to the U.S., and we will stupidly accept it and deal with it. And the Mexican upper classes then won't have to worry about a revolt of the masses because of the poor living conditions.

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"Lex":

Yes, that's part of it too - wanting to reclaim a mythical "Aztlan" that they believe we stole from them and that they believe is their birthright. I think it's mostly the smarter, more educated, leftist-leaning elements among them that are pushing this angle of it though. The average Juan Gonzales who comes across the border is illiterate, pretty much ignorant of a lot of history, and has no education or skills other than using his muscle power for manual labor. He probably has a large extended family to feed and clothe, and has no way of doing that in Mexico - he's doing the only thing he knows how to do, flee the country on foot and slip under the fence. Most of these guys probably have no idea on how to begin to start the paperwork process of legal immigration. It's easy to demonize the illegal migrants themselves, I'm not trying to do that, because there are larger forces at work here that are driving this migration.

Damn straight. I can't understand why they allow them to speak other languages in public places. If you can't speak our language get the heck outta dodge!! Don't cater to "their needs" Screw them, if they want to be here, they need to freaking work for it!! Why are half the signs in Walmart and Kohl's and even Target are in spanish for Christ's sake!! Go home if you don't have the freaking mind to learn our language, you don't need to be here!! and I'm NOT talking about spanglish either, either speak where we can understand you or go home!!!!!!! I love your views on the way they get around the whole legitimate wages thing. I mean, come on, just because there are so many americans than don't wamt to do the dirty work, doesn't mean they can't!! The people that are on government assistance, (now I'm not saying ALL but the majority) have nothing holding them back from getting a well paying job like hanging chickens (live hang at poultry plant) or picking strawberrys or potatoes. . . how the hell do you think farmers made a living before there was cash money!! It's called work!! If you don't do it you don't get paid, if you don't get paid you don't eat!!! If you don't work you don't eat, see how easy it was to get to that conclusion!! and these people just keep coming and taking these jobs that noone else wants to do and because of that, they are encourageing these lazy bums to stay where they are!!

anyway WAY off the subject!! I totally agree with your view on the whole immigration money thing. . . it's outrageous and it leads to so many other problems, here. . . Thanks, I needed to rant^_^.

They're trying to weasel their way into California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas so they can take back "the land we stole from them". It has nothing to do with poor economy in Mexico.

U have a point about many things but do U really think that everyone who tries to get immigration legally will get it if he is patient ?? many people wait for their turn to come for years so they may get out of the hell they live in , but in the end they will receive a NO . plus .. U don't need to starve to look forward for a better life , We should realize how lucky we are for being born here , because they realize how unlucky they are for living such miserable lives . Maybe If we live in places like they do , we will understand .

Yup, you are right. I've also heard about the PR scandal.

I legally immigrated to the US and stood in line to become a citizen. Illegals have no right to cut in line in front of law abiding immigrants and then drain the system.

Many poor countries try to survive on cooperation and social networking. Families bundle together or neighbors bundle together they borrow from each other.

Some family oriented people pool together their money in hope to send one family member to a better place to work. Sometimes the older or healthier family members sell their internal organs to be able to pay for it. Wealthy people from first world nation gain from these organs. Some of these family members die from it.

Some actually borrow at a high interest from syndicates to get here in exchange they work at exploited wages. Their lives aren't as happy as you think coming to America to work. They keep thinking or worrying how their gonna finish paying their debt so they can find better job but ofcourse syndicates won't allow that. Some women are even turned to sex slaves or other parts. The ones that are in America worry how they're going to send money to make their family members economically well. The families left behind worry what happened to their loved ones there. Are they alive? Did they make it?

They're not exactly doing well or better off here that you do think. They gambled a big risk to hope to better the lives of their love ones. They also suffer being look down, hated, stepped on, alone.

Want to put a blame. Blame it on the current economic and social structure - where doing ok, showing profit is not enough and way of thinking of some people who loves to exploit, harm and hurt.

I am not one of the people who is here. I live and work in another country. But I got the facts. And I understood. Everywhere people are venting their hate and pain on another that appears kinder, shy, weaker, inferior to them but the cause of their suffering, pain and worry are not the more inferior, not the kinder, not the benevolent ones.

your right. i remember while growing up in chicago,Ill hearing porto ricans saying they can claim sosial security and don't have to work to build up their money. all they have to do is sell their info to an illegal.

its not the poor starving people that are paying that kind of money to get over here. The poor people are the ones that are taking their chances in the desert to try to get here. Also I come into contact with people who are her illegally because of my work and None of them that did pay paid that much. At least not all at once. I think that they are here working illegally for some time before they buy fake papers. I know that it is not right what they are doing, but, I know that if I had been unlucky enough to have been born South of the border I would still love my children. I think that I would still do just about anything to fill their little tummys. Even if I had to obtain work illegally. It's easy to sit in the land of opportunity and pass judgment on people who are in a situation that we can't begin to appreciate.