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Do any other atheists see beauty in the message of Jesus?
I mean the fundamental message of the New Testement. Treat all with respect. Forgive them their trespasses. ALWAYS be the first to turn the other check.
It seems that the message is that if we live as true humanists and put others before ourselves, we will achieve heaven on earth.
Is it possible for theistic Christians and atheistic humanists to work together on this dream? Does anyone have any examples?
While I realize all religions have done bad things. I try not to generalize to "all christians." There is always a Sister Mary Margeret out there, feeding the hungry, clothing the cold, and not giving a crap about their sexual orientation.
I also recognize that there is a lot of other stuff in the scriptures, which I tend to characterize as either dubious history or marketing. It seems that Jesus, the philosopher, was reacting to years of Jewish "eye for an eye" type thinking.
Really, I am looking for examples of humanists and Christians working together.
17 Answers
- Anonymous1 decade agoFavorite Answer
of course. Love, respect, humanitarianism, peace, helping each other. They are all great messages. Unfortunately the followers of the christian faith who preach these things, dont follow a single one of them, so they taint the positive messages with the hatred of the organization of the christian faith. Oh, and the bible does a good job of that too. But, some parts are really good ideals, but not just christianity teaches those ideals, lots of religions, and other groups <including non religious ones> teach the same thing, without the biggotry, murder, violence, rape, incest and stuff.
- 5 years ago
As others have pointed out, there is just as much ugliness in the New testament as there is beauty. All of the positive philosophical points (including the Golden Rule) had been stated by far more erudite minds for over a thousand years before the time of the NT. The negative points are typical of any Iron Age culture (such as Jesus dvising his slavery-boudn followers that they must obey their master as if the master was Jesus Himself). There is no positive aspect of the Bible that cannot be found in simple human reason and compassion. No deities needed.
- DiogenesLv 71 decade ago
I do not respect those who refuse to reciprocate and respect me -- that would be most of Bible thumping fundamentalist Christianity.
I do find great value in Christ's message of forgiveness, but only on a voluntary personal level.
For the record, Secular Humanism is a religion Bertrand Russell and others created specifically to appeal to atheists. Very few atheists want anything to do with Humanism because, ultimately, it is just another man-made religion.
Personally, I'm repelled by the very notion that any particular set of arbitrary rules should be considered appropriate for all possible circumstances. The fundamental problem with all religions is that they are inherently inflexible. I also reject all forms of mandatory altruism. The bottom line is I feel no compulsion to systematize "acceptable" human behavior, beyond obeying necessary secular laws.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
The first question in response to this question is: Which message? But of course you go on to say "Treat all with respect" (which is hardly Scriptural), "Forgive others their trespasses," "Turn the other cheek," etc.
So my answer is: yes and no. I certainly don't think "Turn the other cheek," for example, is always the best policy; and if Christianity as an institution thought so, it would hardly have made it out the gate.
I'm a "moral relativist." (Pause for horrified shrieking.) I don't believe that there is a single moral code applicable to all people in all circumstances - in fact, this seems to me to be a matter of the most basic common sense. So each injunction of Jesus needs to be evaluated on its merits relative to a given situation. In other words, you can take Jesus' teachings as "tips," but it's no substitute for actually thinking about a situation yourself and making your own judgments. The Bible is not (or shouldn't be) your surrogate brain.
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- MooLv 51 decade ago
I'm an agnostic and I see the validity of it. In fact, I know a few people who treat him as a spiritual role model and choose not to follow the parts involving judgment, damnation, etc. Even though I think cherry picking is hypocritical and almost religious person does it, they're one of the few people I can stand to discuss religion about in an intelligent manner
However, mostly every other part especially Old Testament I disagree with
- War Games AMLv 51 decade ago
Sure, I absolutely see the message as being a great thing to live by. I just don't believe Jesus was the son of a god, that any gods exist, that Jesus had to die to atone for the sins of mankind, etc etc etc. His message is great except for the "the only way to God (and thus escaping eternal torment) is through me" part.
Source(s): Atheist - Anonymous1 decade ago
There is no 'fundamental message of Jesus'. In one passage, Jesus is depicting himself as the prince of peace, and in another he is depicted as saying "i come not to bring peace, but a sword'.
The Golden rule is the only useful thing in Christianity, and it isn't even original to Christianity.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Much of it predates christianity. And much of the positive message of the bible predates it,
Heck even the 10 commandments were taken from the Egyptian book of the dead.
- CelticPixieLv 41 decade ago
I do. I wish more Christians would listen to what Jesus actually said and the values he taught.
- 1 decade ago
Treat all with respect unless they are Canaanite women, and in that case make them admit they are dogs before helping them.