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Why is it that among all of the ancient historians and philosophers?
living at the same time as Jesus (the Greeks, The Romans, et al) none have never mentioned His existence? I have heard that Jesus was an historical figure.
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- YY4MeLv 71 decade agoFavorite Answer
There is no contemporaneous evidence that the Jesus character in the christian bible existed. Although the writing of Josephus Flavius is often cited, historians agree that it's a forgery.
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/josephus.html
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"Could historic passages have been forged? Could the volumes of the historians have been tampered with? The answer is: yes they could have. Where were these historic volumes stored? In the local public library? In individuals' private homes? No. They were in the posession of the Church, who studied from them and made copies of them. In what form did these writings take? On a typeset page, bound like a modern book? No. The printing press was not invented for a further 1300 years. The fact that the Church could write means that the forgeries could have been made. The Church had the opportunity, the means, and the motive to forge historical documents.
"This simple truth is widely admitted by Christian scholars. One case in point is our first example: Josephus Flavius, a famous historian. There are two alleged mentions of Jesus in his histories. The first of them, the more extensive and more famous one, is no longer quoted by Christian scholars. That is because they know it is a blatant Christian forgery. The second passage is still in use.
"'Josephus, the renowned Jewish historian, was a native of Judea. He was born in 37 A. D., and was a contemporary of the Apostles. He was, for a time, Governor of Galilee, the province in which Christ lived and taught. He traversed every part of this province and visited the places where but a generation before Christ had performed his prodigies. He resided in Cana, the very city in which Christ is said to have wrought his first miracle. He mentions every noted personage of Palestine and describes every important event which occurred there during the first seventy years of the Christian era. But Christ was of too little consequence and his deeds too trivial to merit a line from this historian’s pen.' (Remsberg, Ibid.)
"But first things first. Josephus was not a contemporary historian. He was born in the year 37 C.E., several years after Jesus' alleged death. There is no way he could have known about Jesus from is own personal experience. At best, he could have recorded the activities of the new cult of Christianity, and what they said about their crucified leader. So, even if Josephus wrote about Jesus, it is not a credible source.
"... The paragraph on Jesus was added to Josephus's work at the beginning of the 4th century, during Constantine's reign, probably by or under the order of Bishop Eusebius, who was known for saying that it was permissible for Christians to lie in order to further the Kingdom of God. This behavior is justified directly in the New Testament, where Paul writes in the 3rd Chapter of Romans: 'For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory, why yet am I also judged as a sinner?'"
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Source(s): . ~ "A mind is a terrible thing to waste." ~ . - ?Lv 45 years ago
No, there is no valid historical evidence that the person of Jesus of Nazareth ever existed. The Gospel accounts were written generations after the supposed events, and none of the historians of the actual time mentioned him at all; nor did the Romans, who were meticulous record-keepers. The most damning silence is from Josephus, a noted Jewish historian who lived at the time of the supposed events. Josephus mentions Herod, Pontius Pilate, and even John the Baptist, but never a peep about Jesus. The only account mentioning him, the Testimonium Flavinium, was proven to be a third century fraud. Strange how someone supposedly created all this buzz and all these miracles, yet everyone forgot about it for decades, no?
- 1 decade ago
This is true, but those philosophers rarely mentioned anyone other themselves or their teachers. Jesus was a historical figure and this may upset some of our Christian brothers but he lived up to what he said, I was only sent to the lost sheep of the tribe of Israel. His mission was to the Jews and I would advise you and anyone that is interested to read the Talmud to see what the Jews say about Jesus. Most people would be surprised. Jesus had no influence on Greek or Roman culture but Paul did. The truth of Jesus' (pbuh) lack of influence can be seen when he went to a roman Governor and to Pilot they never knew who he was and he lived among them. If he was a threat and was making a move to have the Jews rule the world and establish a government the Romans would have sought him out and crushed his movement this didn't happen and this was one of the reason the Jews never accepted him as the messiah. ( Read info on Jewish Mosiach)
- Anonymous1 decade ago
If Jesus was a historical person he certainly seems to have been a very insignificant one. In truth, if you go by the Gospels it seems almost impossible that he could have existed at all. There are too many mistakes made in the Geography and in other historical events.
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The Josephus entry (Testamonium Flavium) is a pious fraud that has been admitted by the Catholic Church.
"Eusebius and the Testamonium Flavium," Catholic Biblical Quarterly 61/2 (1999) 305 - 322,
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- Anonymous1 decade ago
Because he is the creation of Paul.
I firmly believe Paul took the teachings of an Essene rabbi called Jesus and rearranged them to fit the Mithras mythology. There were many wannabe messiahs around the time of Jesus; the man who could establish a religion based on a "real" messiah would be a very powerful and respected man, which Paul apparently wanted to be.
The fact that Paul never met Jesus, and that Jesus never foretold Paul's appearance (unless it was included in his warning about deceivers that would fool "the very elect"), should be proof that Paul had no authority in real Christianity.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Maybe they just did not like him. Jesus was the most hated man of his day. This will not be repeated. He comes again for Vengeance, and this time he holds the nails and stands the cross upright.
- oldguy63Lv 71 decade ago
You are incorrect, even Josepheus mentions Him and so did sereval other historians. Plus what about the writers of the Bible (NT) all mention Him, and apocrapha writings, and many writings from the first and second century.
- Tricia RLv 51 decade ago
You might of heard that, but the pages of that book are still open. It is an impossible possibility - or visa verse.
- PandoraLv 51 decade ago
Do you believe that Socrates existed?
prove it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
- Anonymous1 decade ago
He only became known after a bunch of people started a cult around him.