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Why is the "Who created God?" question the one even the smallest child asks, and no theist can ever answer?
The simplest and most obvious question you can ask about the notion of a god, the one that even the smallest child asks when they are told a god exists, is the one that no theist has ever satisfactorily answered. Why is that?
Those children can see that if our own existence demands an explanation, then the existence of someone capable of creating us would surely demand an explanation too. No religion has ever come up with such an explanation. That's why many theists fear and deny evolution - because it gives us the explanation for our existence that no religion has ever been able to provide.
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"...but God relates to the "why" or purpose of our existence"
That's presuming that there is a "why" or purpose, which is not a valid presumption.
"Why don't you accept the fact that God does exist, and He exists with or without your acknowledgment"
Simple - Because the idea is clearly impossible.
"Biological life is much too complex to not have had a creator, yet a deity who would be infinitely more complex than us requires no creator? It is truly horrid logic."
Exactly so.
41 Answers
- Anonymous1 decade agoFavorite Answer
God with a capital G is outside the created world as someone has already pointed out and so it is not a sensible question to ask who created God.
As a Christian I do not fear or deny evolution. But to believe that the Theory of Evolution is the whole story is a touching expression of faith that ranks alongside those who think that their religion knows the whole story.
As a general rule, science will answer questions about how and that may be the only questions which you want to ask but questions of meaning or purpose or direction are philosophical/religious questions.
Don't confuse the two.
<EDIT> I have just seem your comment about the presumption that there is a why. If you don't want to believe there is a why that is up to you. But I don't think you can just dismiss it as not a valid question. You can look at the complexity in the world and say that it has arisen by chance or you can ask the question why. But if you say by chance then think of the minute probability that there would be even a valid universe let alone the one we explore with our amazing brains.
I have bet my life on it not being just chance. You can bet your life on it being chance. I think my odds are better than yours!
Peace.
- 1 decade ago
Children would not accept an answer explaining that Divinity is not created but creator, because grown ups teach them so.
And we and the rest of the creation are not creations at all, we are part of the same Divinity and reality, just at different levels of existence.
You surely want a prove... we have one, we always had and you use it everyday, Mathematics.
Someone said:
"Biological life is much too complex to not have had a creator, yet a deity who would be infinitely more complex than us requires no creator? It is truly horrid logic."
You can't believe of a creator without creator but you do believe in Infinite, don't you?
You believe that the universe is infinite (until proven different),
Any number divided by 0 results in Infinite (even negative numbers), and you DO believe it
You believe in negative numbers, eventhough they do not exist
You believe in 0, eventhought there is no such thing as "the nothing"
You believe that there is a counterpart of everything, a dualism, positive, negative, up, down, left, right, etc, and yet, there is no counterpart of 0 (and it is not the infinity) and of course there is no -0
So, take a look at this, if 0 is the origin of all, 0 is the Divinity, and nothing comes before it;
But the Divinity is one and only one, 1, creator of itself and the rest that there is.
If the Divinity creates itself, that is divides itself to create the rest:
1
__ = infinite -> the creation, the universe and all of tis
0 components
That is how The Divinity creates everything and itself
Can you believe that the limit of X when X tends to Y, is Y eventhough X never reaches Y???
Can you explain somebody something you don't really understand?
How can you answer a question for wich you neither you have a certain answer?
Science and atheist don't believe in things until they see them. There is a time for everyone to open their eyes and see.
I had my time to see, verify and experience for myself. I'm not a believer, I don't support what I say on faith but in true knowledge.
Open your mind to see beyond what you can see with your normal sight... I'll quote a book, but not the one most of the people in this site does:
"Adieu, dit le renard. Voici mon secret. Il est très simple: on ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux"
"...the essence is invisible for the eyes..."
The little Prince
Antoine d'Exupery
- 1 decade ago
If we are supposed to accept the illogic that God created everything but had no creator (the First Cause argument), then it flies in the face of the creationist argument that describes the origin of the universe. It is an ad hoc (inconsistent prejudicial) error in logic. If people and animals and the cosmos needed a creator, as Christians like to say, because no other explanation could describe the complexity of the world, allegedly, then it is a break in logic to say, "Except, God needed no creator." I thought you just said everything needed a creator to exist?
Okay, part two. If we can accept that God just existed, and always did, not measurable in time, etc., then why can't we alternatively just assume that the universe, (i.e., matter, etc.) just always existed (and with no presence of God)? If God needed no creator to exist then it stands to reason that the material we call the universe could exist without a creator as well.
- GalahadLv 71 decade ago
Speculatative; a theist would take the view that the question is unaswerable because the answer would exceed our power of understanding,thus we are foreevermore blocked from understanding this and other mysteries. Just as an atheist would concede that although theories abound as to the creation of the universe there is no way of actually verifying any of them. You could ask an atheist: what was there before the universe came into being? And their children probably do. It's the same thing as a child asking a theist who created God.
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- 1 decade ago
I believe the problem is the word "created", which implies a discrete, finite and deliberate act which took place at some time in the past. Since ultimate reality is larger than concepts of time and space, the question itself is meaningless to those who do not think like a child. God is also not quantifiable or describable by means of our limited understanding and language. That does not mean, however, that the universe does not emanate from some Source which I would call God.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Of course this demands an explanation. Let us first examine the question, however. The idea of "creation" is synonymous with "beginning." To have a "beginning," one must have some sense of time. (For example, I began running at 8:00 this morning. I ended my run at 8:20.)
"[St. Augustine] wrote that time exists only within the created universe, so that God exists outside of time; for God there is no past or future, but only an eternal present."
If God is indeed outside of time as we understand it, then the question "Who created God?" doesn't apply.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Yeah. For some reason, theist "logic" allows for a deity that has always been and always will be but somehow the idea of matter and energy always existing without having been created at some point is totally unfathomable. It's astounding.
- Mike M.Lv 61 decade ago
For the same reason that no evolutionist can answer the same question when it is put to him: where did the matter and energy in the universe come from? Even Stephen Hawking, in his excellent book, "The Universe in a Nutshell", neatly sidestepped where the original matter and energy in the original "singularity" came from, as only a mathematician could, by saying that it was "undefined" (a definition of infinity, the result of dividing by zero).
No one on either side can answer that question, because it involves defining an origin from the infinite past, and infinity doesn't go away just because you have faith in evolution instead of God.
- Linda JLv 71 decade ago
So, if the smallest child can answer this question, don't you think it strange that no one has ever come up with an answer?
I mean, there's a lot of people who think religion is made up any way, so why not make upan answe for this?
Is it because people who really do respect God, don't make up stories just to please those who demand on stuffing God into a tiny box ?
Why don't you accept the fact that God does exist, and He exists with or without your acknowledgment.
- mzJakesLv 71 decade ago
The question implies a concept that is demonstrably false. That is that God is bound by time. As time is a creation, part and parcel with the physical universe, it does not and cannot apply to God. thus the question is meaningless and has no logical answer.