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Anonymous asked in Politics & GovernmentPolitics · 1 decade ago

How many of you believe the fantasy that Obama doesn't attack Hillary and it's just Hillary who attacks

I keep seeing claims that poor Obama has been subjected to constant attacks by Hillary but he doesn't take part in that kind of politics.

Who actually believes this?

It was Obama's camp that twisted those two comments in NH from Bill and Hillary into racist statements when they clearly weren't. It was Obama's camp that released a memo calling Hillary "Punjab Hillary" because of her support from the Indian American community. It was Obama's campaign advisor who actually tried to connect Hillary to Bhutto's assassination. Why do so many people have to believe this guy is hands clean to support him. He promised clean politics, but hasn't stuck to that promise. I'm NOT saying Hillary is any better, but he is hardly innocent of the same charges. Just interested in reality.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/jun/15clinton.htm

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/20...

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/28/clinton.oba...

Update:

PD:

This is part of what I'm talking about.

Prove it. It is NOT a "known fact" that she had that photo released. Drudge claimed her camp did it, but could produce NO proof at all. Imagine that. Even Obama has said he has come to the conclusion that Hillary had nothing to do with this.

Obama knows, and most folks not hynotized by Obama fever, realize that is typical Republican smear tactics. But too many of his supporters still want to believe it, even when HE said he knows she didn't do it. Amazing.

Update 2:

politico:

"it's just like you?" WTH is that supposed to mean. Another Obama fan using personal attacks, what a surprise.

Listen, your opinion about this stuff is not exactly taking the wind out of my sails. I didn't get my opinion from these three articles. I just looked them up for references to what I was talking about. My opinion is formed from actually paying attention to what many different sources reported at the time. You have your own misinformation going on for you, in which nothing but opinion is offered. Like NAFTA for instance. She came out as for it while First Lady, of course, have u known a First Lady to come out against a program their husband was championing. Yet in Bernstein's even handed bio of her, he states that privately she had grave reservations about it, as several reliable sources told him. Now she holds the same stance as Obama. And he knew it, yet didn't care.

Update 3:

Mr. Hands Clean is no saint. My opinion of him was lowered greatly after that ridiculous spectacle his people made out of those NH comments by Hillary and Bill. He knew very well they weren't racist, but he was content to let others believe it, because he knew it could change the support of black voters for the Clintons - and he was right, it did. Ever since he has been coddled and butt kissed by the media while they land on everything Hillary says as an "attack." His own nastiness has been obviously ignored. At least we know who Hillary is, the good and the bad. With Obama, we're getting a man who is buying into his Obama the Messiah thing a little too much. His arrogance has been ridiculous lately. I always planned to vote for him if Hillary didn't get the nod. But lately, I'm starting to get inklings of the real man under the mask and it isn't pretty.

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  • 1 decade ago
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    I'm sure not buying it at all. Obama is handed with silk gloves now by Republicans and the corporate media. Once he has the nomination they will not be so kind . They act like Hillary should campaign for him and give him the nomination. Everything else she does or tries to do is put in the worst light.

    It is noteworthy that leading lights of the Republican right have joined in the praise for Obama. The editorialists of the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times’ Republican columnist David Brooks and such conservative media pundits as Peggy Noonan, William Bennett and Rush Limbaugh have all had good things to say about him.

    On the Republican side, the promotion of Obama is motivated in part by calculations that he will be easier to defeat in the general election than Clinton. No one should doubt that the Republican notables who are currently hailing the rise of an African-American candidate as a vindication of American democracy are prepared to conduct an unofficial campaign of virulent racism against him, especially in the South, should he win the Democratic nomination.

    Given his big business ties, Obama’s campaign rhetoric about confronting poverty and social inequality involve a level of cynicism and demagogy that is truly staggering. His incessant promises of change are not tied to any radical economic program that fundamentally challenges the profit interests of the giant corporations and Wall Street.

    I have to agree and that's what bothers me most too. He's running as Mister Clean but his record and actions don't measure up. Hillary is Hillary, we don't worship her but we know her including negative sides

  • 1 decade ago

    The media makes it worst. I'm disgusted with their coverage of the election. I'm disappointed in MSNBC and some of the other reputable stations that can be counted on to be fair.

    Starting in 2000 with GW the media has gotten progressively worse with the way the report things and what they focus on. It shouldn't even be called news it should just be opinion and conjecture because it is all slanted.

    Hillary, unfortunately has been Al Gore and John Kerry this time around and if Obama does get the nomination. OMG, watch out.

  • Because of his race, Obama has had a free ride, critizing, lying and attacking Hillary. It amazes me that someone that was once dubbed "the 1st black president" could be accused of being a racist. This is something that the media has created, and the Obama camp has used as ammunitation against Hillary. She does not have a racist bone is her body.

  • 1 decade ago

    I agree with you 100%. There has been this illusion put out by his campaign that he can do no wrong. And it seems that Obama supporters answer any criticism of him with criticism of Hillary, as if they don't know enough about him to actually defend him with his own accomplishments.

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  • 1 decade ago

    That is just the Republican media stirring up the poo pile. You are aware that in all the open primary States the Republicans and Libertarian (Republicans) are jumping over casting votes for Obama to beat Hillary Clinton.....In the General Election you also know they will vote a straight Republican ticket no matter who is on the ticket.....even John McCain. NEOCONservatives will do anything to have their own way..lie, cheat, con, steal.....just about anything the 10 commandments say is a sin they will do without any remorse.

  • 1 decade ago

    From day one the media has described Hillary as "attacking" while Obama is "defending himself" or "fighting back." It's shameful and they justify it by saying that the media "always is hard on the frontrunner", as if that excuses biased journalism.

  • 1 decade ago

    I haven't heard of ANY of this and I have been following the obama thing closely for months. Looking at the domains these artices are from, my initial impression was that this is just more hillary pushing stuff out and seeing what will stick.

    Although I am an Obama fan, I don't fault Hillary for this. It is do or die time in Texas and Ohio. If she loses one, she is mathematically done.

    Looking closer thought it appears to have little to do with either camp putting this out. This seems like just you. The CNN article is the only one I'd put any stock into and that says NOTHING about Obama acting shady. The other two are very dodgy as far as journalistic credibility and really don't say nearly what you imply. I would encourage anyone to read those articles and consider how often the writers are making assumptions or interpreting what is supposedly being "reported". These are not examples of good journalism/reporting and that brings a lot of what they have to say into question.

    The first article is actually a ton more damning of Clinton's India finances and only mentions the Obama campaign in saying that the Obama camp is looking at the Clinton's investments in India which may be suspect and has a fact sheet on it that is titled "Hillary Clinton (D-Punjab)'s Personal Financial and Political Ties". The writer suggests the document covering those investments that the Obama camp is alleged to be circulating (to whom??? Not clear --- seems like this may have been leaked if it actually exists --- for such a "damning piece of evidence" that is "circulating the blogosphere" the document or even a link to it is conspicuously absent from the article.) is a condemnation by Obama of Indians. The writer (who works for an Indian news website) then later in the article explains the actual source of the joke about Hillary being the democrat for Punjab, India, actually originates from a Joke Hillary herself came up with!!!! Any editor worth a damn would have told that writer that they are crossing over into editorial work and would have instructed the writer to at least clarify if not rewrite the whole thing. The whole thing is shoddy and questionable.

    The second article states very clearly that Obama himself had never called the Clintons racists, even though their actions in SC certainly opened them up for that criticism....IMO.

    It in fact says next to nothing negative about obama. It is blog quality reporting/editorializing.

    It appears that you're interpretations of these articles at best might be considered skewed and at worst might be using the CNN article to give legitimacy to what your are imagining the other two articles are actually saying. It seems like you may have assumed no one would actually READ the articles.

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    Is Obama guilty of negative advertising like Hillary? Please. The assertion is ridiculous if you look at the breadth of infractions. Obama finally committed some fair negative campaigning in attacking Clinton for her support of NAFTA. I say fair because she is on record repeatedly over the last 10 years in praising NAFTA to local papers. It is documented fact. The Clinton camp knows that her NAFTA record hurts her in Ohio, so she is spinning this as an unfair attack. It can be argued that obama also used fair negative campaigning in pointing out that Hillary spit the bit on going to war in Iraq. This is another fair criticism.

    Hillary has been being skewered in the press because her camp has rightly or wrongly been credited for a series of slanderous untruthful attacks on Obama. (Muslim, may have been a drug dealer, etc.) IMO, the press is tired of being fed stories by the clinton camp only to have them denied later. They have a grudge against the Clinton camp for using them like pawns. It is glaring against a candidate who doesn't do unfair negative campaigning.

    Mrs. Clinton is made her bed and shouldn't complain after the fact and neither should her supporters.

  • PD
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    1 decade ago

    hillary drew first blood - a move that would prove to be fatal

    she should have kept the high ground and glided in for the victory.

    btw - it's a known fact that camp hillary released the photos of obama in african garb - not the neocons

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    Who really cares? For one thing it's politics and no one tells the truth any way.

    And second I'm having a blast watching the liberals get their collective shorts twisted in a knot trying to figure out which left wing minority to support while claiming it isn't about race or gender.

    you couldn't make this kind of fun up in a book...lol

    chas

  • 1 decade ago

    you would have to be completly out of touch to believe that...He is like a snake & will say any thing to destroy her so he (thinks) will be president but you know what the american people are smarter than that... so him & his wife need to get over their selves.

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