The Muslims have scared Liveleak. What's next?

I don't know where it will end but the video is supposed to be talking only about terrorist... people believe that muslims are like this.

kindly hear me out...

the movie is truly 15 minutes of pure "fitna"!!

Fitna is caused by doing or saying things that spread hatred. When there is “fitna” there is schism, upheaval and sometimes anarchy. if we act with violence we are just proving the guy right.

the messenger Muhammad advised a Muslim who asked him... he told him "don't get angry" he said that three times. he also said that getting angry is from Satan who is made from fire, to turn the fire off we need to wash up (wodoo). or at least if someone is angry and he is standing up he should sit down, if he is sitting down he should lie down. anything to keep you from acting upon your anger.

MY OPINION

freedom of speech now has a new meaning...

freedom of speech = defamation through lies. which is a crime in all civilized countries.

my REFUTE of the verses that were used by the guy.

8:39. And fight them on until there is no more PERSECUTION, and religion becomes Allah's in its entirety; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.

the WHOLE surah (chapter) is about a story that happened in the past . It’s THE WAR OF BADR. It was between the Muslims and their “non-believer” enemies “Kuraish”. That’s why the verses were talking about the “non-believers” it’s an adjective … referring to those specific non-believers. It’s not a law for all Muslims. Just a story that is over…. You will find that to be true when you check earlier verses including:

8:33. But Allah was not going to send them a chastisement whilst thou wast amongst them; nor was He going to send it whilst they could ask for pardon.

“whilst thou wast amongst them” = Muhammad. He only lived in the 7th century!!

God was not going to punish the non-believers (Kuraish) while Muhammad was there.

THE REASON of that war wasn’t that they are “non-believers” it was because Kuraish tortured weaker Muslims, drove many Muslims out of their houses, confiscated their properties and conspired to kill Muhammad forcing him out of the city when he was only trying to follow Abraham and Ishmael -who are his blood ancestors- by praying to God in the holy place in Mecca. It’s his right to live in the city he was born in, grew up in and it’s his right to follow his own beliefs without being persecuted. He just wanted to return to his own city.

By the way the war was fought OUTSIDE THE CITY. The two armies met outside the city and fought.

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the verse (8:60) the guy just removed everything before and after it:

[8.56] Those with whom you make an agreement, then they BREAK THEIR AGREEMENT EVERY TIME and they do not guard (against punishment).

[8.57] Therefore if you overtake them in fighting, then scatter by (making an example of) them those who are in their rear, that they may be mindful.

[8.58] And if you fear treachery on the part of a people, then throw back to them on terms of equality; surely Allah does not love the treacherous.

And then come the verses Sura 8 verse 60

[8.61] But IF the ENEMY incline towards PEACE, do you (also) Incline Towards PEACE, and trust in Allah: for He is the One that hears and knows (all things).

the verse says to prepare for war in a way that terrifies the enemies.

but the movie separated the words "to strike terror" in a separate line to get your attention away from the fact that is terrifying through preparation not terrorizing the peaceful.

It’s to fight those who break peace agreements. But if they return to peace then Muslims HAVE to return to peace. If someone attacks you wouldn’t you prepare everything in your power to defend yourself?

He mentioned 60 and didn’t say it’s for agreement breakers and didn’t mention 61 which is all about peace.

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4:56

If you believe in God’s signs you don’t need to be scared of God’s punishment. This has nothing to do with Muslims attacking people! If you are a believer there’s nothing to worry about and if you are a non-believer then don’t be upset about something that you don’t believe in which is “hell” in the afterlife.

Believer does not equal Muslim. A Muslim can be a believer or not. A non-muslim can be a believer or not.

It’s God who decides.

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(4:89) again, out of context.

Hypocrites in Islam are those who pretend to be the Muslims allies when they are the allies of the Muslims’ enemies.

4:88. Why should ye be divided into two parties about the HYPOCRITES? Allah hath cost them of their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way.

4:89. They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): So take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (from what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-

4:90. Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you or fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore IF THEY WITHDRAW FROM YOU BUT FIGHT YOU NOT, AND (INSTEAD) SEND YOU (GUARANTEES OF) PEACE, THEN ALLAH HATH OPENED NO WAY FOR YOU (TO WAR AGAINST THEM).

Again Muslims are allowed defend themselves against those who fight them. it’s defense. If the attacker wants peace then there’s no need to defend ourselves.

There was nothing such as “NEUTRAL”. People were divided into ALLIES, ENEMIES, people with whom they had AGREEMENTS. That’s the way it was.

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47:4. Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; at length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind (the captives) firmly: thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.

again he mixes peace times and war times. And again “the unbelievers” is an adjective referring to “those people”. The whole purpose of the war is that the believers will be left alone to live and worship in peace. It’s not to convert the non-believers.

There are 2 verses in another surah or “chapter” that sets the peaceful people from the other people in treatment:

60:8. Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who FIGHT YOU NOT for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing KINDLY and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.

60:9. Allah only FORBIDS YOU, with regard to those who FIGHT YOU for (your) Faith, and DRIVE YOU OUT OF YOUR HOMES, and support (others) in driving you out, FROM TURNING TO THEM (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong.

I guess this is fair enough, kind with peaceful but not friends with attackers.

The word used in verse 60 for the peaceful people instead of “dealing kindly” is the same used for being kind to parents “tabarroohom”.

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I guess the guy who made the movie should be paid by terrorists. He’s their new “brainwasher” of people. (whoever wants to be brainwashed, that is)

please people, judge Islam by its content not its sinful followers. the good and the bad exist in every religion.

if the majority of Muslims were like that it would be WW3. it's difficult to control an army of over a billion, you know?

the misunderstandings are because of ignorance or it's a cultural or political thing not religious.

people ...don't let the movie cause a fitna between Muslims and non-Muslims because of the terrorists and racists.

it would have been ok if he focused on terrorists instead of dragging all of the Muslims into this by taking Kur'an verses out of context.

There is an overly popular tale within the Talmud (the Jewish Oral Tradition) approximately 2 Rabbis, who have been every approached by way of a person who mentioned "I will convert to Judaism if you happen to instruct me the whole Torah (Old Testament) whilst I stand on one foot." The first Rabbi grew irritated on the guy for creating a mockery of the faith, and for making a laugh of the complexity of each Judaism and the conversion procedure. The different Rabbi noticed on this an possibility to instruct, and mentioned "Love your neighbor like your self. This is the entire Torah--the relaxation is simply main points." We gain knowledge of from this tale that there's extra to faith than who's correct and who's improper. The foremost facet of dwelling a devout culture is being a well man or woman. Have you ever heard of a faith with out kindness as a principal tenant? No one must try to convert you--your religion is yours, and yours on my own. Do now not fear approximately this problem, use it as an possibility to soul-seek, after which come to a decision what YOU feel. Oh, and on no account quit serving to the ones in want, considering the fact that what use is emulating G-d or Jesus or Mohammed if you're now not going to upgrade the sector by way of doing so?

I can honestly envision a future when all the Worlds religions will have to join together and fight against the Muslims. They consider all of us who are not one of them to be infidels and they will never respect our lives or rights to live our way.

So eventually,maybe not in my lifetime, but eventually it will be Muslims against the rest of the World.

Hopefully they will see that, and start to take care of stopping their own extremists to avoid the kind of hatred they are getting. It must be hard for the peace-loving Muslim to always be tarred with the brush of their terrorists.

We can all fight back - just boycott Muslim businesses...start with your local shop if its Muslim run, stop flying their airlines - etihad. emirates, qatar, syrianair, royal brunei, garuda etc. Don't holiday in Muslim countriess. Make them hurt in a quiet way. They themselves will soon turn on the extremists, for like all families they know where the troublemakers are. We can all start now. The backbone starts with each and every individual who has the desire for change and with companies like Liveleak - who cave in to bullies and should not do so

I'm disturbed by Paul B's response that we should boycott Muslim businesses. Many many Muslims have immigrated to the US to get away from terrorists, and are patriotic Americans. I certainly wouldn't want to penalize them for what their enemies did.

We also have extremists and my sincere hope is that they are not also provoked into death threats

their actions proves every thing in Fitna movie .

i belive the end of this "cult" will be soon.

may God protect us all !

Makes me mad, they have one rule for them and another for the rest of us infidels....we need to wipe this cult out

Yep, it's pretty pathetic isn't it?

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