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how old are all the hard-core femminists here?

i ask because all the idealism here sounds like the stuff i believed with i was 16. also i find it hard to believe a married adult "femminist" is really femminist. i'm 100% sure that all the married femminist believe in their ideals 100% -- but in reality act like any other married couple with the woman working all day and sacrificing everything to drive the kid to soccer, etc,. i did that too, at 16. i was a "femminist" but dated an abuser who "agreed" with me that women are strong and equal but then abused me and manipulated me. i dont' think anyone here is like that, but i find lots of people preach ideals they themselves only *believe* but in the real world they act just like everyone else. so how many ofyou hard-core femminists who thumbs-down me every time i tell you the real truth about my life are over the age of 25? How many married ones actually arrange things more equally than "traditional" career-women in REALITY and not in your minds?

Update:

got1bigd... nice answer. good points! in saudia arabia even the men chafe at the rules, but always impose the rules on each other because they wish their sons and friends to be successful in their sad world with it's rules. i think about that a lot -- what can they do in there to change, when change is punnishable by torture? you answer is a good one for that reason. it accepts reality but does not loose sight of what can change. (the key word is *can* change)

smudgeth... i agree about " having the freedom to make your own choices and live your life the way you want." which is a good thing. but i want my DNA to go on to the next generataion, so i can't have everythign 100% my way all the time with men. besides, if i lived life my way, i'd dress goth all the time, and i can't cuz i have a job. but yes, i fully support everyone's "freedom to make your own choices and live your life the way you want." which is the american right to "pursue hapiness".

Update 2:

sam: so far the answer to my question is ONE person. (you). and i know there will always be someone out there who does it. maybe my count can rise as high as THREE?. lol. i'm counting!

Update 3:

i (heart) vampires: lol, i love vampires too!

Update 4:

Donna: you raise my count to TWO. lol.

(i'm not a regular visitor of the femminist section, i just know when i give facts about my life i always get thumbs down. i'm a "woman" right? so if men ask about women i would think i have the right to anwer them here? But i dont' know what user that other person is talking about, but insulting users is against guidelines -- even if they deserve it. i never do it and you shouldn't iether! just use anonymous thumbs-down instead, lol.)

Update 5:

Untamed rose, before i count you as 3: do you "discuss" things and end up doing things .. you way? seems every time women "discuss" things men just give in, unless they are salesmen in which case they listen and go their own way anyway. after these discussions: which way is actually *implemented*? is is roughly equal, 60/40, or does one person get "convinced" consistently?

Update 6:

see, that's what i mean: whoever gave the first answer here thumbs down: why is saying the reality of your life so taboo and wrong here? sheesh! even if you are married with kids and you are 100% equal, the rest of us may not be as lucky or good-looking as you, why do our expereinces get thumbs down? i think it's all 16yr olds and single people doing those thumbs down because they can't handle that some of us have a less than ideal reality.

Update 7:

edit all: i'm not married but every time i say that once i gave up my femminism and started letting them pay for me, my love-life really improved and i have a lot more men to choose from. Yet, i get thumbs down for stating this fact about my life. i'm ok with thumbs-down about my oppinions about saudia arabia and stuff like that. fine, those oppinions may be stupid. thumb-down me for 'em! But not about simple facts about my life that i share honestly to seemingly honest questions. if someone asks about the life of single women or something and i answer honestly about myself, i get thumbs down, which is what bothers me. never let reality interfere with ideals! sheesh.

Update 8:

"letting them pay for me" should be "letting men pay for me" like dinner and stuff.

Update 9:

Untamed rose: i will say you are *partially* right. i *am* making a big deal of the thumbs which is childish of me. hey, i'm bored at work! i ask the age because i don't think 16yrolds should be preaching femminism to me, a woman who is dating in the real world. i was not an "angry" teen but i was a stupid one, over-idealistic new-age and rebellious. of course i did not just "drop" my femminism. it always hurts to surrender your idealism! but i do better in the real world now that i have, and i hate the fact i was taught to have *too much* idealism in the first place. and it bothers me that saying this is so hated in this section, i probably will only answer "women: answer this" question in the psychology section in the future, where they actually want real answers from real women like me! but today i'm really bored at work, lol. yes, i was a dumb rebellious teen. point taken. real femminists live it in the real world. agreed. that's why i'm not one ;)

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  • 1 decade ago
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    I'm 65 and I'm still a "feminist" - making compromises in relationships doesn't mean giving up one's beliefs. You have to live in the world you're in, while trying to get a better one. Simone de Beauvoir put up with a lot from Sartre, including agreeing to let him have the top award when they completed their degrees, even though she had the higher academic performance, and settling for the second one herself. I wonder if her title "The Second Sex" had anything to do with that experience!

    Source(s): Being a 65 year old feminist.
  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    It is a reality for me, not just a pack of ideals. I have had the notion of fair treatment before feminism was even a household word. I have never wavered from the basic "ideal" of equal opportunity. The only thing that will stop me from trying to do something would be limited physical capability. I have a small frame and some arthritis, so naturally my choices have some built in challenges.

    I'm not married now, but my bf also believes in a women having the freedom to live a life that best suits her.

    I'm 50 years young.

  • 1 decade ago

    I'm 30. I got a job when I was 14 and one way or another I worked till I was 29. I moved out of my parents when I was 20, spent 6 years fighting my boyfriend's ex-wife to get visitation for his child and to stop her forcing him into bankruptcy and after that relationship ended, I have lived on my own for 4 years. I quit work last year to go to University soI can do something with my life. I'm not married, I don't have children and I won't have someone putting me down when they're in my home, whether it's a man or not. So yeah, I do kind of live feminism, why not? I think anyone would agree that if they have kids it isn't that simple but at the same time, why throw away your feminist ideals simply because you have grown up, had kids and got married? -)

  • 1 decade ago

    I'm 31.

    I am in a very long term relationship (over 10 years together), though not married (my choice). We don't have kids, and don't intend to have any. We both work, we split the bills and housework equally, and support each other both financially and emotionally whenever needed. My life is exactly the way I want it, which to me is the entire point of feminism... having the freedom to make your own choices and live your life the way you want.

    Edit: I was in no way saying that you should want or have the kind of life that I do. If you want kids, then have them! =) Your choices don't have to match mine. As for dressing goth, that's a case of just having to prioritize. Obviously your career is more important than your appearance, so you put it first. Others might prioritize differently and choose to have a career as an artist, musician, or record store owner, and retain the ability to dress the way they want (and probably make a lot less money). Neither way is right, both are just different choices, which is what I am advocating here. I'm not saying people should get to have their cake and eat it too. You just have to decide what's most important to you.

    That applies to your role as a wife and mother as well. If you're happy with the way things are, that's great. You don't need to change anything. However, if you're not happy, then I think you should figure out what things would improve your situation, and (if feasible) make the changes your happiness requires. This could be as simple as asking your husband to help with the housework, or cook every other night, or take turns driving your son to his soccer game. You shouldn't feel like you have to stay in a situation where you are the one who's always exhausted and miserable just because you're female. I see marriage as being about compromise. You have to give and take. If you are always doing the giving, or the taking, there is something wrong.

    And, again - this only applies if you are, in fact, unhappy. If you like your life, then as far as I'm concerned you are doing everything right. =)

    Edit 2: LOL! Look how many thumbs down I'm getting just for talking about my life and encouraging you to live yours however you want. Obviously your views aren't the only ones that get them - why even worry about it?

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  • CC
    Lv 6
    1 decade ago

    30 years old. Happily married no kids. We both work. I have two degrees, he has none, therefore I earn more than he does. We share the housework 50/50 though he does more traditionally "male" chores like yard work and taking out the garbage. I do more grocery shopping and cooking. I'm certainly more femininst now than when I was a teenager because I've lived to see a lot of inequality. I also dated an abuser and I think that's what made me more of a feminist.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    22

  • 1 decade ago

    Almost 25 Married and have child.

    Life decisions, money, house work and child raising are all done 50/50 neither one of us has the finial say in things, we discuss them. Only place he dominates in the bedroom ;-)

    .........gee isnt that just a healthy relationship.

    Your worried about the feminist's age...and your worried about "thumbs"???????? They are just thumbs, they don't hurt you just means someone disagrees with your input. This section gives a LOT of up and down thumbs. Get over it.

    As to your sex life, studies have shown people in "feminist relationships" (as defined by equal respect and equal "power" in the relationship) are more likely to have more sex and longer happier relationships. Your sex life issues arnt feminism fault. Also if you were able to just "drop it" on a whim, you were never much of a feminist anyway...sure you werent just an angry teen and used feminsim as your cover?

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    Im not a feminist but I am nineteen and I savour the distinctions between men and women. I think it is wonderful for a woman to work and be sucessful in her life but to always retain her innate biological nature. So many women have problems with coitus and deriving pleasure from men, I think it as they supress feminine aspects of themselves to be sucessful. I believe in equalism not feminism. I am not chirpy, idealistic or wearing rose coloured glasses.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    I agree, at 16 I was a gung-ho feminist and liberal. As I mature, my positions on issues become much more nuanced. And that's what bothers me about feminism, there is no change allowed. No matter what new information is introduced, no matter what the facts say, you must bend the knee for mother feminism and all of her offal.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    well, i don't know if i'm considered a 'hard-core' feminist, but i'm 28

    it's feminist with one m by the way

    my relationship is 50:50 equal with regards to work/housework, bills, planning for the future, etc. i don't date abusers.

    so yes, it's all perfectly possible

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