What possible reason can there be for abortion?

Rape. Incest.

It's not stupid, dude. I have been raped and it's awful and the system treats you like it's your fault. You have no idea what it's like to think you are going to lose your life if you don't comply!

There is a huge difference, and you cannot compare the two. Yes, it shouldn't be used as a means of constant OOPS I'm pregnant issues, but even with every precaution taken things happen.

You can't make such a tough decision so black and white, especially since you've never been in a situation where your life has been threatened.

You could apply this arguement ot birth control or the morning after pill. In fact, they are trying to, in certain states.

1.) A fetus is NOT the same as a child - or even a fetus after a certain time period into the pregnancy. the fetus doesn;t have awareness, or conciousness, or even a brain (and we take the plug out on people who are brain dead)The body will naturall abort pregnancies if it detects an abnormality, we are more capable of doing so. That's why there are time limits. Stop emotionalising the issue - it's a logical fallacy (constantly talking about rape is emotionalising for the other side. I'm being objective)

2.) Birth contol and the morning after pill attempt the same end result as abortion. They are not 100% - what about the people for whom they failed? It's still their choice.

3.) Why insist someone whos made a bad choice be left with the consequences? Doctors help smokers with lung cancer and drinkers with liver problems. Yes, I know this is a pregnancy not a disease, but as I say - at this point it is NOT a baby. It is the start of a baby - like the situation before you take the morning after pill. Or sex, before you use contraception. It is the possibility, which you are manipulating.

4.) In no way is this the same as killing random already born concious children. That is an incorrect comparison. Again, time limits, developmental stages, etc. The difference is the level of development the cells are at. They have potential to be a child - but so does evey egg. And every sperm, but masterbation is not murder.

First of all, where did you get that percentage? Sounds like horseshit to me.

And how can rape not be an excuse? Imagine your wife or girlfriend getting raped and impregnated. Would you honestly want to raise the child? Would she? I mean, really, both of you would look at that kid in a way that no child should be seen: as a product of rape. And how would it be not taking responsibility for your own choices? I doubt she chose to be raped.

How would the child's life take precedence if it's unsure whether or not it can even be birthed. If the woman's five months through pregnancy and there are complications that require abortion, how can you not? The kid will not live, so why does the mother have to die?

The difference is that the six year-old is six years old, while the aborted is –6 months old.

And anyway, the last thing we need is more people on the planet, and especially a child the mother doesn't even want.

There are many reasons for wanting an abortion, but there can be no justification. Your question has raised a lot of interest and obviously touched some very raw nerves. I believe that was not your intention. Am sorry for the person whose mate was raped when in school and became pregnant, I hope you both find healing from that rage. In the event of rape, yes, a woman should, if she so wishes, terminate the pregnancy; purely because of the circumstance of conception. In all other cases, abortion cannot be justified. You take an innocent life, whatever term you may refer to it with. People have sex, God creates children. If you don't want the possibility of a kid, for crying out loud, USE A CONDOM or abstain! You can't walk on the motorway and say you didn't expect to get run over, can you? So why should you have unprotected sex and claim you didn't choose to have a baby? Still think storks deliver babies, do you?

Oh, wonderful! The world without abortion.

You seem to live in your own little habitat with no understanding of the modus operandi of the real world.

Just for the sake of the argument- if the parent(s) do not wish to have a child, for whatever reason, but are forced to have it, what environment will the child grow up in? What will it become? Grateful it hadn't been aborted or on a killing spree because his mother never loved him?

As you are so concerned for the well-being of unborn children, perhaps you should set up a foster home? Because these kids, born against the wishes of the mother, will definitely end up on your doorstep, abandoned, or abused.

And regarding rape- how dare you judge what you have obviously no comprehension of? Get off your prodigal high horse.

"1. rape and incest

rape is overused and already discussed. incest is disgusting and is a choice (otherwise it would jsut be like rape) and incest children are not guarenteed to have birth defects."

Being molested at a very young age by a male family member was not a choice for me. How could I have physically defended myself when I was a child? How could I have gone to the authorities when that man threatened to kill me if I ever told anyone? My mother wasn't there either, she had left & moved away.

Thankfully I never had to go through a pregnancy because of incest, but I find that you are lacking in empathy and common sense for suggesting that children have a choice as to whether they be molested or not.

Guess there must be some sick fcuks out there who thought I had a choice.

You are a random guy sitting behind that monitor typing up YOUR opnions. What makes you think that you are so important that I should carry my rapist's child because you said so? What makes you think that I should sacrifice my life because you said so? If you are a woman, then you are very free to keep the fetus of a rape or a fetus that might kill you. If you are a man, then stop dictating and imposing your opnions and don't have sex with a woman who believes that she cannot keep a pregnancy if she were to become pregnant.

There really is none. Most people realize that the baby can feel pain when they are killing it, but they'd rather not think about it.

In fact, they gave it a fancy name to further dehumanize it: "fetus". It's not a baby anymore, just a fetus :-(

It makes me sad to think of it. I know that some make the argument that the kid will grow up poor and miserable... I'm sorry, kids don't know what poor is! I grew up "poor" but I certainly wasn't miserable. And if you're going to use that argument, why not wait until the kid is 7 years old and then let them choose for THEMSELVES whether they want to continue living poor and miserable and if they do choose death, at LEAST kill them humanely and not violently like these poor children are dying in the womb! (Just as a note, I do not advocate euthenizing kids, that last statement was entirely sarcastic!)

I honestly think that abortion should be legal the same day that murder is legal. I don't know how anyone could ever commit such an atrocity!

having sex doesn't mean you made a choice to have a baby, it means you had a lapse in judgement, so because of that you're gonna make a teenage girl throw her life away, that seems harsh

and a few week old fetus is not a human being, nowhere close, get a brain

your arguments have huge holes in them and most make no sense, they are just your blind angry uninformed rants, it must be embarrassing for you to lose so many arguments

why would you force a mother to die when it isn't probable the fetus will survive, YOU and YOUR LUNATIC IDEA would be MURDERING both of them (if you consider the fetus a life) because you want to take that choice away, please read a book that isn't the bible.

You're wrong about the child taking precedence over the mother's life, and I'm pro-life. The life of the mother should come first.

It is true, of course, that most abortion that we discuss is convenience, drive-thru abortion for being irresponsible as you've said (and for living according to the liberal code that if something feels good you should do it, including ballooning up to 300 pounds from stuffing your face).