Dear CHRISITANS! So was not JESUS dependent on God?

- Jesus existed prior to being sent to earth by God the Father, the first figure of the Godhead, "in a human suit."

- If you have read the accounts in the Bible of Jesus' death, burial and resurrection, you should know that He was alive in spirit even after His death (our spirit does not die); He was quite occupied even after His body died.

But to answer your question: Yes, God's power resurrected Him BACK INTO THIS WORLD, the physical not the spiritual realm. Again, He was in a physical body not in spiritual form.

When Christ ascended into Heaven, He was "caught up" just as Elijah had been.

Except for a few instances, we know from the four Gospels that when in human form, Jesus respected the same laws of nature as everyone else. (Some exceptions: hiding Himself at the temple when they wanted to stone Him, walking on water, enduring the physical abuse and the Cross, entering the Upper Room although doors were locked...) Could He have done all things in a supernatural way? Yes, but then He would not have been abiding by the laws of nature which God set in place for mankind.

Jesus never claimed that He was independent but gave ALL Glory, honor and respect to Father God in Heaven who "sent" Him from birth to His Ascension, further setting an example to us. Even though He was 100% God and 100% human, He was at all times in a state of humility and loving obedience to Father God as we should be.

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No, He existed in heaven before coming here to earth, St John: "In the beginning was the word (Jesus), and the word was with God, and the word was God, the same was in the beginning, and all things were created by him, and without Him was nothing made that was made.

St. John 1"1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

American King James version

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

1- Jesus was a begotten of God (Your God-head)

2- God bring him back to life (resurrected him)

3- Taken him up, alive, upon into the heavens

1) He is eternally begotten - this means this is not a consideration of time at all. Jesus is the Word and has always existed.

Jesus was incarnated into the world in human form. He preexisted this as John 1, Colossians 1 and other books in the New Testament indicate.

2) Its more complicated than that. Some passages indicate that the Holy Spirit raised Him, others that God the Father did, others that He did, eg

John 10:17 "The reason my father loves me is that I lay down my life - only to take it up again. No-one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my father."

You have to remind yourself that christians and Jesus know that the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are all God. Also that on earth in part Jesus was showing us how we should be, so deliberately humbling himself.

Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be graspged, but made Himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant (abdul), being made in human likeness. And being found in the appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death - even death on a cross. Therefore God exalted him to thre highest place and gave him the name above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow."

3) Jesus very definitely ascended Himself - see Acts 1:10. Of course God the Father is involved in everything He did because God is Love.

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Can you honestly argue from these texts anyway, and yet deny Jesus is infinitely greater than Mohammed ?

"I am the bread of life"

"I am the way the truth and the life - no man comes to the Father but by me"

"I am the Good Shepherd" - a reference to Psalm 23 which about God being our sheperd.

"Before Abraham was I am" - "I am" is the Greek transliteration of Jahweh, the name of God.

Indeed Mohammed denied Jesus died on the cross - if you are arguing from Jesus' death and resurrection, taking them as given, then surely was not Mohammed a liar, and of the worse sort, lying about God's way of providing salvation ? Can Mohammed forgive any one of our sins ?

One of the ahadith indicates Mohammed wasn't sure himself that he was going to heaven. He must have feared he had sinned greatly (and indeed he killed people, sometimes inoffensive poets in a rage just because they insulted him, he also sold women and children into slavery, and beheaded a lot of folks opposing him, kept a slave wife, and married a pre-pubescent girl.) He also only acted through an angelic being and other spirits, and had no direct contact with God - maybe that lack of real contact with God unnerved him and made him doubt he was really accepted ?

Yes Jesus Christ did all He did under his Fathers direction and through the Power of His Father's Priesthood. If you will notice in John 1; 1-3 he was the word or the messenger of Salvation. and the creator of all things. There was one needful thing to be complete however he needed to come here a get his mortal body as we all needed to. Our Bodies are an important part of the process.

Well, begotten is a term not defining made - but of preeminence actually should be rendered "only begotten" of the Father so that shows His relationship with the Father as if he was the only one - And this having been raised by the Father from the dead, it shows His faithfulness, and that was for our benefit not His dependence on God the Father - and if the Father raised Him from the dead how are you going to be so raised - when you believe on Him - lastly Jesus, made himself of no reputation taking on the form of a servant, though being in the very nature God, did not assume such a nature, but put himself under the will of the Spirit of God - So that by His obedience we may be made righteous, holy and just. - However this makes no sense to you becuase you are not born of God, nor born of His Spirit and nor does His words abide in you, for you do not believe in the Son of Man, and since you don't believe His words you will not believe my words or that of the Holy Bible - so because of your unbelief you sin remains and so does your blindness - unless you repent of your sins and ask for the forgiveness so that you may be healed so that you may see how good God is and that he is a rewarder of those who diligently seek him (Christ)!

He was 100% dependant on God the father and the Holy Spirit.

according to Christian tradition whilst God did do those things for/to Jesus, Jesus IS God, so it's not that jesus is dependant upon God, but that one aspect of God is helping out the other aspect (although as I write that it's not quite right but I know what I mean)

Yep. Jesus is as dependent on God, as the rest God's creation is. No problem, no discussion required.

It is true Jesus was totally dependent on his Father. Luke 23:46 says' And Jesus called with a loud voice, he cried out a final supplication, Father into your hands I entrust my spirit. Mathew 27:46 About the ninth hour Jesus called out with a loud voice, saying " Eli, Eli, lama.sa.bach.tha'ni that is "My God My God, why have you forsaken me?

Habib, do not be confused. Jesus, is equivalent to God in everything, and the whole world is under his footage. God is revealed to us in three forms in Bible, and the role of Jesus is that of a saviour. They are Co-existing. God, Jesus and Holy Spirit are Co-Existing, and none of them can never be on their own. What happened to Jesus is, he came on earth in the form of a man. When you are human, you are truly a human, who is dependent on God. Jesus was not dependent on God as he was God himself (The Son of God), but he was setting an example for all of us to rely on God for everything in life. He was teaching us that, even he, being the son of God, is totally dependent on God. We are supposed to follow his teachings.