Jewish question? Can you tell me where it absolutely says the Messiah will accomplish everything at one time?

No one gets a second coming? Hello Elijah.! Nice eyes.

In Christianity there is only one God, the Mystery is the Trinity and one God.

There is mention of a second time in

Isaiah 11.11

Then it will happen on that day that the Lord

Will again recover the second time with His hand

The remnant of His people, who will remain,

Where does the Bible say don't change anything when the Messiah comes? I'm actually genuinely curious if you have a specific verse. If nothing changes what's the point of having a Messiah in the first place? I'm not being disrespectful. I don't know the Jewish point of view much and would love to learn some things.

It'd be on this site some place (or links on the left side, the Jews for Judaism might list it better). I can't keep answering this question, but if you search YA, we answer it multi-times a day, you'll see all sorts of links to read more about it.

www.whatjewsbelieve.org

Sorry to run out... Just go through my list of questions/answers & you will see endless ones about Jews & messiah -- as a place to start. Really need to get some work done, no need to insult me for that. I meant the googling as helpful, not an insult that you asked. It's a valid question.

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I know I've seen a quote that within the box is obvious that the messiah will act to do all this in his lifetime. I dont' have it handy. It was probably on www.aish.og. Thing is, the messiah is such a trival side comment in Judiasm, that it's something Jews don't study or care about. There is so much to Judaism, & this isn't a part of that. (J isn't christanity without the christ.) Which is why none of us know off the tops of our heads. If I do find it i will come back & add it !

I'm neither Christian nor Jewish, and forgive me for being blunt, but I'm starting to find it amusing how some Christians believe that Judaism is an "earlier part" of Christianity. Please realize that Christianity is a completely new religion, formed by the followers of Jesus. Because Jesus was a Jew while he lived, there are obviously similarities, but the followers of Jesus have different teachings. And I don't intend any offense, I honor Jesus as a great spiritual master. Peace and respect.

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Ok, after re-reading your question, you're right, I assumed too much in my commentary. My apologies.

Part of the problem is that there is no possible interpretation for him NOT doing everything in one lifetime.

The Moschiach will be the child of two human beings. Therefore he is a human, therefore he has one life.

He must be Jewish, therefore his mother must be Jewish.

"...you may appoint a king over you, whom the L-rd your G-d shall choose: one from among your brethren shall you set as king over you." (Deuteronomy 17:15)

The Moschiach must be of the tribe of Judah. Under Jewish law to be a member of the tribe of Judah, the person must have a *biological* father who is a member of the tribe of Judah.

"The staff shall not depart from Judah, nor the sceptre from between his feet..." (Genesis 49:10)

If both his parents are mortal, then he is mortal, therefore it has to be in his lifetime. Once a person's life is over, that's it:

"When their spirit departs, they return to the ground; on that very day their plans come to nothing." (Psalms 146:4)

ALL of the major prophecies remain unfulfilled. It is stated in the Tanakh that miracle workers will come and claim it, but if the propchies are not valid, it is only a test.

If none of the signs are there, I could just as easily claim that my dead grandfather is the Messiah, because when he comes back he will fulfill them.

One place is Isaiah 11:2; "And the spirit of the L-rd will rest upon him (the messiah), the spirit of wisdom and understanding...". This verse refers to the messiah, but it does not identify him. In addition, it clearly refers to a human person, not a divine being. As such--with the messiah being human--he has only one lifetime in which to accomplish everything. Nowhere iin the Torah is there any passage that even fleetingly suggests more than one lifetime for such a person.

Ok I'm not Jewish but it has been a recent facination of mine and I tend to dive into things I am interested in.

The largest Christian mistake when trying to understand another religion is keeping thier Christian worldview. You can not understand other faiths like that. It won't make sense. It won't mold. One has to step outside of that box an attempt to see a religion through those followers eyes. It's a tough thing to do, you have to be completly open minded to do it, but it's possible.

In order to understand Judiasm, one must "think like a Jew" not a Christian.

Now onto the answer:

Duet 13

1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere.

Jews (and Muslims for that matter) do not believe that God is in more then one place. He can not be three in one. That is purely a pagan concept (at the time that Christianity came around and really sort of still today). Therefore God commanded that there is nothing and more importantly no ONE that will come before him. Jesus claimed to God (yes the same one but refer to the Jewish belief that God won't be "two things at once") Being God, he probably could, but Deut says that it will be a test. Perhaps Jesus WAS God (I don't think so but lets go out on a limb here) The passages in Deut are interpreted by the Jews that it was nothing more then a test. It warns men will come and perform GREAT things, but that is test. Nothing more. Nothing less. So the fact the Jesus performed these miricales (which is the largest basis to Christians that he was God) has no bearing in the Jewish faith. The ONLY thing that matters as "proof of the messiah" is the prophecies. The prophecies laid down to the Jews were NOT filled by Jesus. There for, "second coming" or not, he isn't the messiah. Why would they think he is? In order to believe that, they would have to assume God lied to them. Since in both the Jewish, Islamic and Christian faith God doesn't lie, then the Jews would have (and still do) faithfully stood by Deut 13. He was not God. He was a test, as were others. They denied him as the messiah because he failed that test and they refused to. They see this as being faithful to God.

The other thing is that the prophecies give no indication of the messiah NOT being human. (Going back to my original point of stepping out of the Christian worldview it's not fair to attempt to understand Judiasm through the Old Testament. It's not the same as the Torah, regardless of Christian beliefs that it is. Hebrew does NOT translate directly to Greek. The OT is COMPLETLY based on the Greek translation there for it is not correct. The Torah, translated by JEWS is.) Human sacrifice is sacralige and this was told to the Jews by God. He made his desire against human sacrifice clear in the story of Abraham. He was to be from the house of David. By Jewish tradition this must be from the father, which obviously isn't true since Jesus is not only God, but the son of God. Adoption doesn't count in Judiasm. Even if Mary was from the house of David (which is precarious at best) it would not apply to the prophecies since it does not come down through the mother. Joseph was NOT of the house of David. By the prophecy stating he will be of the house of David, this is pretty strong evidence that the messiah was to be human.

Jews take the words of the profits literally and the stories allegorically. Christians do the opposite, which is the ONLY way Christ can be taken for the messiah. The messiah was supposed to be a King. Jesus was the King of Heaven. Jews believe he was supposed to be a King on earth because that is the LITERAL words of the prophets.

And this is the biggest thing (from what I understand, please if I am wrong my Jewish friend correct me) The Jews have no concept of Original Sin. They have no NEED for a spiritual savior but they had every need of a life savior. They have no belief in eternal damnation, so why would they have needed one? What was to be saved from? God? That wouldn't make a lick of sense to a Jew because they believed God was all forgiving as long as you repent TO GOD. No one else. So would have been the point of Jesus's sacrifice to them?

I don't believe she asked if Jesus fullfilled the messiahs prophecies as christians believe

She asked WHEN MESSIAH COMES , IF YOU COULD SHOW HER WHERE YOU READ IN YOUR SCRIPTURES

TORAH OR TANACH , WHERE IT SAYS THAT HE WOULD ACCOMPLISH EVERYTHING AT ONE TIME?

why are so many of you so quick to take defense , there is no need, if you don't have the answer don't answer. there is no need to take defense just because you were asked a question it is abit petty don't you think?

Let there be peace.

Let's be clear: this is not a case of our 'believing' that Jesus didn't fulfill the prophecies. It is FACT that he didn't. Do we have world peace? No! Has the temple been rebuilt? No! None of the prophecies have been fulfilled.

There are many reasons why Jesus is not and never will be our maschiach. One of them is that he didn't fulfill all the prophecies before he died. In Judaism, NOBODY gets a 'second coming'. Nobody. The Jewish messiah is just a normal, mortal man.

The 'second coming' was a device used to justfiy and explain WHY Jesus died before fulfilling any of the prophecies.

For more details:

http://jew-with-a-view.blogspot.com/

http://www.messiahtruth.com/

I will star your question so others can answer as well.

We believe that the Moshiach (Messiah) is a human, with one lifetime here on Earth (* The Moshiach will be a man of this world, an observant Jew with "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2))

We also do not believe in G-d as anything but ONE (not a trinity or anything else, but one) and G-d is not the Moshiach (Sh'ma Yisroel, Adonai Elohenu, Adonai Echad - Hear O' Israel, the Lord is G-d, the Lord is One - our main prayer)

B'shalom

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