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BulliesRock asked in PetsDogs · 1 decade ago

Harness that doesn't encourage pulling?

I use an easy walk on my dogs when hiking. However, my brother's dog (pit/boxer/mastiff mix) can't walk on one because it slips over his front legs and trips him. He's very oddly proportioned in the front so no matter how we tighten it (or the trainer tightens it), it still slips. We do NOT let our dogs off leash when hiking because of the hiking laws. However, the martingale chokes just as much as the choke chain when his dog gets too far ahead. He's in advanced training, but the pup is only 6 months old so she still has ADD. Treats don't work on trail. Does anyone know of a harness that does NOT encourage pulling we could try on her? I saw one on "It's Me or the Dog" reruns, but can't seem to track that one down. Maybe it's only available in London?

Thanks for your suggestions!!

Update:

Unfortunately, our trainer and his (two separate trainers) told us NO gentle leader because it can cause neck problems later down the line so he's not willing to use that.

Update 2:

Unfortunately, last time on the trail, it took us four hours to do a mile out and back with the stop, back up until the puppy is with us, then go forward again method. His dog NEVER pulls off the trail. It's only on the trail when all the other dogs except ours are off leash. No one obeys the leash laws but us. They're lucky our dogs aren't leash aggressive since theirs just come running right up to us. Amazing how many rude people hike with no regard for the law or other people's dogs. I understand why we're not being allowed on as many trails now. Advanced class we got to work on whatever we felt needed work. As neither dog pulled and had loose leash walking down, we both chose greeting as our primary. Also, our dogs were through all three classes before five months of age. My dogs aren't a problem on trail but they go every weekend. His girl only goes about once a month so she's amped up. I can't get him to take her more frequently for practice.

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  • Chetco
    Lv 7
    1 decade ago
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    I used to have one like they showed on "It's Me or the Dog"..but I got mine several years ago, at WalMart, of all places. I haven't been able to find them lately.

    However, the Canny Collar will work:

    http://www.cannyco.com/

    That design is amazing! I bought them for our local shelters, and was so enthused that I wrote to the company..they sent me 24 of them for free! for the local shelters..

    I'll keep looking to see if I can find that no-pull harness.

    Here is one type:

    http://www.wiggleswagswhiskers.com/products/harnes...

    and another:

    http://www.tugnhug.com/

    Source(s): btdt
  • 1 decade ago

    Im not sure where the "neck problems" would occur in using a head collar. Maybe after constant yanking (which is not encouraged!) Working as a dog trainer I have not a single bad thing to say about head collars, and I have used the Gentle Leader, Halti, and the Wonder Walker, all work well, but you need someone experienced with them to show you how to use them. I am able to let a 6 year old walk a 90 lb dog with a head collar.

    BUT if you are completely adament about not using a head collar, Sporn has a couple harnesses that tighten around the shoulders when the dog pulls. Unfortunately, choke, pinch, and harnesses don't completely STOP the pulling like a head harness does. Think of it as a horse bridle!

    My favorite is the Wonder Walker. I know it's found at PetSmart and online. It's a leash and head collar all in one and even if the nose part falls off, it tightens into a leash. Good luck and message me if you have any more questions about the head collars, I'm VERY experienced with them!

    http://www.premierpet.com/View.aspx?page=dogs/prod...

    Source(s): I'm a dog trainer
  • 1 decade ago

    Your trainers are incorrect and depriving you of an excellent tool to help. Gentle Leaders do NOT cause neck problems.

    To get the Easy Walk to fit your odd-fit dog, turn it upside down, so that the belly strap goes across the back. That fit usually works very well for these odd-fit dogs.

    A dog will pull into any equipment if you continue to GO when he pulls. The reward of the forward motion is the reason that he "keeps pulling". Because you "keep going". When you fix your end of the leash, he'll stop pulling.

    EDIT: This is a TRAINING problem. You want to just walk him for 4 hrs and not have to fix the problem that you have caused. When he pulls for 4 hrs and you GO for 4 hrs, he has 4 hrs of practicing it wrong. You're playing "you can't solve my problem", and looking for the perfect piece of equipment, which doesn't exist. You are completely misunderstanding the problem. The problem is that he pulls, and you GO. You are spending hours reward the exact behavior that you don't want. So, what are you willing to do about it? If you keep moving forward when he pulls, it doesn't matter what equipment you put him in. It's not an equipment issue.... It's you inadvertently reinforcing the wrong behavior.

    And yes, I'm a trainer, and I use lots of Gentle Leaders and Easy Walk harnesses. But I also teach people how not to reinforce the wrong behavior, because equipment never fixes that.

  • 1 decade ago

    Being on the trail doesn't mean the dog can't listen to it's owner/trainer. "ADD" is NO reason to let the dog get away with bad behaviors. Being on the trail is NO reason to let the dog go ahead of you AT ALL either.

    Until the dog has a reliable heel and loose leash walking along with come and leave it (which SHOULD have been taught, learned, and mastered in puppy/beginner class) the dog should not leave your side.

    Your trainer should have told you this....

    When treats don't work, try using corrections. This may take a while, but it doesn't hurt and it doesn't require you to waste money on things that don't work (IE harnesses.)

    Basically when the dog pulls, the person walking STOPS dead until the dog stops pulling and walks back to sit by them. The dog has to figure it out on their own, no matter how long it takes. OR you can turn and rapidly walk in the other direction every time the dog pulls.

    These two methods show the dog that pulling YOU means they don't get to go where they want to go to, and it takes them longer to get there. It worked WELL with my dog, who also doesn't like to listen while on walks in certain areas.

    Harnesses don't work - period. I haven't found one yet, neither has my trainer. Even the no-pull kind won't help in most cases. Head halters may work, but i agree with your trainer - I've read about how they CAN cause neck injury if used incorrectly. I used one or a while and i found it made her behavior WORSE because she had no control over her head (this is when it came to greeting other dogs... it limits head movement because you're trying not to let them get tangled, and no head movement means poor communication.)

    Clip/Choker collars only work if used correctly, and the correct way means that the dog is BESIDE you so you can administer corrections. If they're ahead, you can't snap the collar like you are supposed to and it just cinches up causing the dog to choke. Prong collars are better in the sense they can't cinch up too tight and they're wider so they don't cause as much damage as thin chains. Like any training tool, they can be used incorrectly causing injury.

    As a dog in advanced training he should have mastered heel and loose leash walking by now. He SHOULD be listening to the owner. If he isn't, something went wrong somewhere in training - even in a new place, a well trained dog would listen to the handler after a few corrections and "watch me's".

    What sort of training did you go through?

    Add - i don't mean to be judgemental but for being a handler in an advanced dog training course, you don't seem to have mastered what our trainer calls the basics. I admit i still have troubles with my own dog at times, and we're just entering advanced, but i use corrections as well as rewards and when a problem crops up i deal with it THEN and not throughout the course of several classes.

    Source(s): Owned by Mutt
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  • 1 decade ago

    There are no harnesses that don't encourage pulling. Harnesses are at the center of the dogs body weight, they utilize the dogs strength and encourage them to pull. Hence why we use them for sledding.

    Use a Halti-Head lead thats been properly fitted for your dog.

    Max, my dog, is nearing 86 pounds, and he's a very strong dog. He had a lot of fun walking ME until I purchased a Halti-Head lead, recommended by a fellow trainer. Now, he wears it comfortably and walks beside me when we go for jogs, walks, or runs.

    Max:

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/Undesired_F...

    Buy it: http://www.companyofanimals.co.uk/halti.php

    http://ezdecorate.info/index.php?proddb=44&pid=411

    ADD: Your trainer is wrong. As a trainer and veterinary technician trainee, I see more dogs with internal bruising that have been using chokers, prong collars, and harnesses than that of haltis. The halti is a collar that you CLIP on their neck and attach the safety line to their collar. Then you slip the lead around their nose.

    There is no physical way this can injure the dog unless you are literally JERKING the dogs head back.

  • Anonymous
    4 years ago

    it fairly relies upon on which form of harness you get. My canine has have been given a harness and she or he dose no longer pull in any respect. The harness we use is places rigidity on her chest somewhat than her throat. yet with this harness comes guidance. It in user-friendly terms takes approximately 3 days and in user-friendly terms once you opt for walks. while she pulls the harness tightens putting rigidity on her chest, this rigidity isn't painful for the canine basically uncomfortable. After approximately 3 days the canine places 2 and a couple of mutually and figures out that each and every time she pulls the harness which will positioned rigidity on her chest which she dose in comparison to. so it is going to give up. Harnesses are fairly reliable in case you elect the surprising ones. reliable success!!

  • 1 decade ago

    I have seen one made by Gentle Leader that appeared to have potential. (is that the Easy Walk?)

    However, because I've only actually seen two ON a dog I must caution that I don't KNOW that they necessarily work well. It is my experience that most "no pull" harnesses are complete garbage.

  • 1 decade ago

    halti lead or leash works well.

  • 1 decade ago

    the harness you are looking for is the no pull harness it's great!

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