Would a pro-abortionist please address this argument stating that abortion is equivalent to murder?

Then how is a miscarriage not ending a human life? Is the only criteria deliberation? A miscarriage is certainly not handled or approached as though the fetus was a living human. The usual thought is "What a tragic occurance."

Adding top this problem is the inconsistancies that humanity have placed on "human life" to where the waters are muddied. There are those that feel until the child draws its first real breath, it's not a human. Cultural conditioning is a factor in all of this

first some random nonsense that doesn't really address the argument.

So if only the mothers life was in danger you would choose a fetus over the mother. Yeah yeah tell me that again when you have to choose between your wife or mother and a "human being" you don't even know. I'm sorry but how do you justify that?

Now to my actual argument.

how can you give life a standard definition? Life means so many different things to so many different people. Outlawing abortion would just be pushing your beliefs on other people, can't you just... not get one?

But for the sake of this argument I will not argue any further what life is, since it has been proven that life begins at conception. So, a fetus has a life, but so does a cancerous cell, so does a rat, so does a flea, and so does a spider. But very few people think twice about taking those lives just because it's convenient. I am not comparing a human being to bugs before you even get into that. I am simply saying that if you are so into saving 'lives' then go outlaw bug repellant or something.

a fetus is not human.

I will address your question and also add a bit about birth control, since I know someone will open that can of worms:

Birth control is much different than abortion. The birth control pill prevents the process from taking place which creates a new organism. Morning after pills achieve this as well as conception does not really occur until about 3 days after the egg is fertilized. Just because the egg is fertilized doesn't mean it is a viable organism. 90% of fertilized eggs never attach to the uterus and are flushed from the body.

Abortion however terminates the life of a viable, living organism. People try to make distinctions between fetuses and humans and make arguements that they are different. A fetus, by deffinition, is a stage in the life of a human being, just as infancy is a stage, toddler is a stage, adolescent is a stage, etc.

People argue that a fetus is not a human because it lacks autonomy... without the mother, it will die. Well is that not also the case with the infant or toddler? Do they not also lack autonomy??? What about the adult who suffers from severe mental illness? Is it ok to abort them as well because they lack autonomy?

A fetus does posess however the exact same potential for life as does an infant. They both are organisms and they both have futures. By terminating the life of a fetus, are you not depriving the organism of the future experiences of a human being, like adulthood, fear, hope, love,etc. in the same way that you would deprive an infant of those things if you ended the infant's life?

One other arguement that I have heard is that until a certain point, the nervous system in the fetus has not developed to the point where it can experience pain, therefore abortion to that point is ethically permissible. My response to this is that methods exist where a human infant can be killed without it experiencing any pain or without its awareness that it is indeed dying. Their arguement is flawed in that it holds the premise that it is also ethically permissible to kill a human infant so long as it does not feel any pain.

Just some thoughts.

WE grew up being taught that murder is not good. Before abortion was not a norm but now it begins to be accepted and part of the norm. But basically it is still murder when you abort an unborn child. when it comes to the determination when life has started, actually as soon as the fetus starts to develop from day 1 life has started already. The development of fetus starts with combining of sperm and egg cell...these 2 cells when combined already created life...its the 1st process and very important one. overall...abortion should not be allowed in whatever circumstances may be. Its just a matter of accepting the god given gift even if was cause through criminal action. Additional answer: regarding the "murder" of animals for consumption, God already gave us the authority to do that after the great flood. But what is really murder is when you kill the animal without any apparent reason. There are dogs that were put to sleep because they are dangerous but if you kill them just for the heck of it then that is totally bad!

No-one can call himself or herself pro-life while fighting for someone to have a life of pain, abuse and misery. Where is their humanity and compassion? I’m not saying anyone on this earth should not have been born or should ever be murdered. Visit a state funded home; it’s a necessary hospital environment. Even Catholic nun volunteers cannot hold even just one 10-year-old mentally retarded child for just one hour every day. Some babies lives’ have been, for over 23 hours a day, has been spent lying alone in a metal crib (should I describe the tubes, needles, black bruises, some babies couldn’t even be held if someone was there to hold them for 10 minutes). The cribs come in different sizes from babies to pre-teens, adult body-sized ones come complete with restraints, now they legally have to just use drugs as restraints, and I’m told it keeps the noise down. I’ve always said at least these kids are warm, they don’t need clothes or an education, and are feed, even though its threw a tube they are only starving for affection. Now should I mention the babies of drug addicts or incest, even JUST poverty?

Abortion can not be used as birth-control, and anyone in a drug rehab program or on welfare should require mandatory birth-control. I’ve watched people thrive by working in medical, but then these small sad lives of misery affect the people who deliver them, right down to their care-takers for the next few decades. I’ve seen some great caring successful people become numb, hard and ice cold because of what they see and can not fix at work, even some home health-care workers and child counselors. These once happy professionals affect the lives of their neighbors, families and all who they come in contact with. First get rid of the reasons’ that make some abortions necessary, make sure every baby and child is adopted, and then get rid of abortion. Until both sides of this issue can work rationally together for a solution, the same problems’ will remain and grow.

Abortion is a state's issue.

To abort a fetus is government-legal in most states.

Murder is generally defined as killing in a manner that is not government-legal: Killing is self defense is not murger but a government-legal killing.

Abortion is not a government-illegal killing if all the government rules are followed.

Abortion is not government-illegal. Abortion is not considered as government-murder.

Many want the governement laws changed to make abortion governemt-illegal. Then, and only then, would it be murder.

Canon law and its definations can take care of itself.

I used that stilted government- syntax because many don't know the difference between secular- and canon-law.

P.S. Why would you abort a fetus is its life were in danger? It's in your question that you would approve of this.

Genetic code doesn't determine humanity. A soul and mind do.

Growth does not imply life. Stillborn children grew into a form, but did not have life when they came into the world.

It's important to understand that abortions go on whether legal or not. Before Roe v. Wade, authorities never pulled dead rich women from back alleys. Sadly, it was always the poor that suffered. The affluent had their doctors perform the procedure in the comfort and safety of their medical office.

I remember before Roe v. Wade when my mother, grandmother, and another woman were at our kitchen table. They had just come back from a funeral of a friend who was a victim of a botched abortion. With tears streaming down my grandmothers face she chokingly said, "It's a damn shame that we live in a country where dogs receive better treatment than a woman."

My father drove an ambulance in Washington D.C. He and my mother cried when Roe v. Wade passed as it meant my father and his colleagues wouldn’t have to look at those horrid scenes from botched abortions anymore.

Back then, the pillars of the community knew who the abortion doctors were. They made sure they were around. Not just to take care of slip ups at home but more importantly, to take care of their little secrets. The local Sheriff was well aware of what was going on. But if he wanted to keep his job and win his next election, he knew he’d better watch his P’s and Q’s. Get it? Meanwhile, the sheriff helped pull injured and dead poor women out from back alleys. It wasn’t right that the poor suffered while the affluent didn’t. That scenario is one of many reasons R v. W passed.

The problem with contemporary views on abortion is the element of time. People have forgotten or are too young to know what went on before Roe v. Wade. And the GOP isn’t going to remind us either. Against our best interest, they use the issue to stir our emotions to sucker us for our votes.

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WOW! a pro-lifer using biology instead of just religion?!!? That is something new.

Unfortunately, biology can't point either way because a fetus is still developing, so while we can't say it isn't life, we can say that it has about as much intelligence as a rock.

Correct, even mold is a living thing. So how anyone can say human cells multiplying is not a living thing is beyond me. Cancer is a living thing and it is accepted as cancer as soon as the cells begin to grow. That means human cells that begin to grow should be considered human.

See how simple it is?