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Harley V-rod motor vs. Buell?
Harley went through great lenghts to make the V-rod. In the process, they "legitimized" water-cooling as "equally American" as air-cooling. Air cooling was the standard (and excuse) for many years. During those years, it gave HD the right to insult the "fakeness" of water-cooled twins, and their not-so-well-hidden radiators.
My question is, when will HD put a proper Buell motor into a Sportster frame? Just seems so logical. And inexpensive, regarding the non-existent R&D work needed. Doing this from the beginning would have allowed them some continuity, regarding the whole air-cooled thing.
Dynaflow...I understand your answer, but don't forget, HD changed an awful lot when they built the V-rod motor. It was a big financial and image risk.
Putting a "Buell-ized" Sportster motor into a Sportster, is a zero-risk experiment. Exterior-wise, a Buell motor is dimensionally equal in every way. It is an actual Sportster motor, with a better head and internals.
Ninebadthings... I do not care about the "corny low rent "biker image, any more than I care about the Vanilla-Ice look-alikes who wreck GSXRs everyday. I like motorcycles for what they are, and I am simply asking this question from an engineering standpoint. Comparing a Harley to a Ninja is as irrelevant as comparing a tow truck to a Mini-Coopper. It is a retarded comparison that shouldn't even be done. Eveyone knows a sportbike is faster, just like everyone knows you cant tow a Caddilac with a Mini. That doesn't mean you cant optimize the performance of your Mini, in a simple way.
Rottendog...
Maybe HD didn't build the first VR motor, but they paid for all of the R&D. It's not like they picked a motor off the shelf at Porsche, and said "I'll take that one". They've built all their production VR motors.
This isn't an odd question. It's actually rather simple. It's a question I've heard a million times when people are looking at Buells at bike shows.
What IS ODD, is how people don't seem to understand what I'm saying.
A regular 1200 XLH gets about 50HP, while the same motor in a Buell gets over 100HP. To the uneducated person who claims it's "not that great" of an improvement, since when is 2x the power "not that great"?
It is a mystery why HD doesn't at least offer a "limited edition" XLH with a Buell motor.
People buy every HD made, regardless of price. Even if it costs $2k more than a "regular" 1200, more people would be interested in it as an alternative to a V-rod.
I just thought someone might have some info on this.
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- reddishpaLv 51 decade agoFavorite Answer
The 08 Sportys have most of the Buell parts in them, heads, cams,etc. They now put out 72 HP.
Source(s): 50 yrs of HD - ?Lv 45 years ago
Comparing the V-Rod to any other bike in HD's lineup is not realistic. It's the MoCo's bastard child, but they sell 'em like crazy. I've got a race spec air-cooled 113 Softail, as well as an '08 Night Rod Special. Yeah, the Softail is a more comfy ride, and with my build- a bit of a sleeper. But the Night Rod is just a shocker all the way around. And they both haul ***. Both are set up for straight line acceleration. Both do OK on the highway. If I wanted a canyon-carver, that's what I'd buy. Cruisers aren't made for that. I've bloodied my knuckles, and pulled hair out building, modifying, and working on both bikes. I'm actually doing research right now, considering picking up a Victory Hammer. Hater's gonna hate. But I love both of my bikes, and I could learn to love the Victory as well. If you can't turn a wrench, it doesn't really matter what brand bike you ride.... If you pay the dealership to change oil, check fluid levels, and adjust the handlebars, you have no business pretending to be a biker. You're just a poser.
- 1 decade ago
Sorry but like Harley, Buell will be happy to tell you unrealistic horsepower numbers, but I'm seeing the XB12S Lightning as the highest horsepower bike that Buell makes other than the Rotax bike and it only comes in at 85...not impressive. The St2 only has 59hp.....a 1200 sportster comes in at 56hp. (add 100 hp to that and take off 200cc and you have a Yamaha R1)
That said I agree that Harley could make more money by offering these engines as some kind of whimpering eagle premium. There is a sucker born every minute.
- Rudy HLv 71 decade ago
I'm with you on this. I had a 2008 Night Rod. I got rid of it because I hated the riding position, but the engine and throttle control were some of the best of any bike I have ever owned. Super smooth throttle take up, not a flat spot or hickup anywhere. Enough power and torque, although not record setting. Just a wonderful powertrain. I think it was designed with assistance from Porsche. I was wondering why Buell wouldn't use it just the other day.
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- ?Lv 71 decade ago
Well harley isn't going to put the Rotax into a sportster and the buelized sportster engine isn't all that. Just buy a sportster and spend a few thousand making it slightly faster like everyone else. And then enjoy getting spanked by a 250 Ninja.
If you care about a corny dirtbag biker image or a low rent status symbol...buy a harley. If you care about performance buy something other than a harley and something other than a cruiser.
Munks....a motorcycle is a tool, sports equipment. Or it is a fashion accessory/status symbol. Why would anyone want to ski downhill on old wood skies with beartrap bindings from 1960 that cost more than the latest greatest parabolic skies with the latest in bindings? Why would someone choose a slow heavy bad handling snow mobile when superior ones are cheaper?
The choice isn't V-twin or sport bike. I've only owned one sport bike unless you count the old turbo Honda then two, more accurately my VFR is a sport touring bike, the other 13 bikes were great bikes and all superior performers to V-twin cruisers.
If you are starting to care about performance here is a nice site that will help with performance comparisons. http://www.mcnews.com/mcn/technical.asp
- DynaFlowHumLv 71 decade ago
Harley really can't change much of their design because of the traditionalists that are their core market. Buell is an OK bike just not competitive in any racing form but it is still cool.
- rottendog93Lv 61 decade ago
Well since Harley did not develop the V Rod engine, they bought it, this question seem a bit odd.
- ?Lv 41 decade ago
harley doesn't pout buell motors in there bikes it's vice a versa. harley's too proud.