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What did Homo sapiens do for the first 190,000 years?
I would really appreciate some SERIOUS answers to this question, especially from evolutionists. I was doing some thinking lately about how modern day man supposedly evolved 200,000 years ago. Then I realized that most of things we know about man are much younger than the race itself. I did some research only to discover that the oldest know civilization is less than 10,000 years old. The oldest writing is less than 6,000 years old. Language itself is only 100,000 years old? Did Homo sapiens grunt to each other for the FIRST 100,000 years? The oldest stone tools are 400,000 years old, twice as old as Homo sapiens? Another web site told me that stone tools were 2.5 million years old. Were they made by apes (sorry, “common ancestor”)? If so, why can’t all apes, monkeys and simians make stone tools? The oldest art work is in a cave in France that only dates back 32,000 years. Do you mean to tell me it took humans 168,000 years to figure out they could paint on a wall, when most children can figure this out by age five? Transportation like wheeled carts and boats are still only 8,000 years old. Do you mean to tell me that it took intelligent humans 192,000 years to figure out the concept of boats and wheels? Finally, the compass, the mechanical clock, the glass lens, the printing press, and the steam engine were all invented in the last 1000 years. I find it very hard to believe that Homo sapiens would not be able to pull themselves away from hunting and gathering long enough to contribute something more than stone tools for the first 190,000 years of existence especially when modern man went from the first powered flight in 1903 to walking on the moon 66 years later. Below are references to my research in case there is any question that I am making this up. I seriously want to know why the earliest humans contributed almost nothing to modern society. If evolution is correct and Homo sapiens are in fact 200,000 years old, what did they do for the first 190,000 years?
Oldest Civilization
Iran has about 8000 years of history. Iran is the oldest civilization in the world.
The Neolithic Revolution is believed to have occurred somewhere in southwest Asia around 8000 BC.
http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/38638
Oldest Written Form
Some people base their answer on which language got written down first. If you're counting absolute oldest, probably Sumerian or Egyptian wins because they developed a writing system first (both start appearing in about 3200 BC). If you're counting surviving languages, Chinese is often cited (first written in 1500 BC), but Greek is a possible tie because it was written in Linear B beginning ca. 1500 BC.
http://linguistlist.org/ask-ling/oldest.html
The oldest language was created about 100,000 BC it's name has never been defined as we are unsure which of the living languages are its decendant.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Worlds_oldest_language
Oldest Tools
Archaeologist Ali Mahforuzi said on Wednesday that 400,000-year-old stone tools discovered in the valleys of Shuresh near the Rostam Kola, Huto, and Kamarband caves are the oldest ever found in the area.
http://www.mehrnews.ir/en/NewsDetail.aspx?NewsID=1...
Most researchers agree that the first humans to make tools lived in Africa. Very simple implements have been recovered there that are about 2.5 million years old. About a million years later, the more sophisticated teardrop-shaped tools began to emerge.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/664967.stm
The Chauvet Cave, Most of the artwork dates to the earlier, Aurignacian, era (30,000 to 32,000 years ago).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauvet_Cave
“The first began to appear nearly 200,000 years ago in association with technologies not unlike those of the early Neandertals.”
http://anthro.palomar.edu/homo2/mod_homo_4.htm
A fishing boat, presumed to be 8000 years old, has been dug out of the ground at Changnyeong County in South Gyeongsang Province… is the oldest of its kind ever discovered in the world.
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200509...
it is still a mystery as to who invented the wheel and when the wheel was invented. According to archaeologists, it was probably invented in around 8,000 B.C. in Asia. The oldest wheel known however, was discovered in Mesopotamia and probably dates back to 3,500 B.C.
http://library.thinkquest.org/C004203/science/scie...
The compass, the mechanical clock, the glass lens, the printing press, and the steam engine were all invented in the last 1000 years.
First of all I’d like the thank those who answered my question. I’m choosing Tehabwa’s answer as best, because it’s the most thorough and best researched. If I got to choose a worst answer it would have to be Constellation’s . Come on? Wood rots? I know that, but I would assume after 190,000 years man would have figured out how to make buildings out of stone and learn to fashion metal. Also wood may petrify under the right conditions.
Johnny V, I appreciate your answer, but the time line missed the point of the question just a bit, as it had nothing to do with evolution before Homo sapiens. The questions is posed from the standpoint that 200,000 years ago we start off with a fully developed Homo sapien with all organs including brain and vocal cords as they are in Homo sapiens today. If that’s not the case, then they cannot be considered Homo sapiens at all. I also like your comment, “In spite of the fact that about 95% of all the species that have ever existed are extinct.” I don’t know about the number, but I certainly agree that we had more species before than we do now. This is an excellent point the CREATIONISTS make. If evolution were true we would see a gradual progression from few species to many, not the other way around. God made various species and many gradually died off as they were unable to adapt to new and/or changing environments.
Targetbutt, I absolutely 100% totally agree with you in your comment about the recent rapid advance o f technology in the last century or two compared to the time of Moses. Excellent point, and a tip of my hat to you. It reminds me of a sermon I heard at church that gave reference to Daniel chapter 12. Verse 4 mentions an increase in knowledge in the end times and a 2,500 year old prophecy certainly seems to be unraveling as technology has increased, and still is, in leaps and bounds within the last 150 years. I also note your comment about religion resisting science. Sadly this is the case, as many sciences met strong resistance from the Roman Catholic Church. Many people believe that science and the Bible do not mix, however, science backs up the Bible in so many ways and offers validation to what is written within.
Last, but certainly not least, I was very impressed with Tehabwa’s answer. Not to say I agree with all of it, but you certainly made some very strong points. Understand that chimps use various sounds to communicate, as do even dolphins and whales I might add, actually makes me wonder even more why language didn’t develop long before it had. Species that are not nearly as advanced as we are use the organs they have to communicate vocally. How much more should Homo sapien be able to make a huge variety of sounds with much more “sophisticated equipment” as it were, from the very start 200,000 years ago? If “Early primates [arrived] about 60 million years ago.” As Johnny stated, that’s 59 million years of practice to develop a language before Homo sapiens are even on the scene.
Chimps also make tools as you pointed out; stones for cracking nuts and twigs to harvest termites and other insects. Here again, lower animals doing something that Homo sapien should have thought of 200,000 years ago. I’ll be honest, I’m not quite sure what you mean with, “Representing things, and interpreting symbols are among those specific tasks. Before we had those "modules" the whole notion wouldn't come up.” Are you suggesting that parts of the brain we have now were not “modules” early man had? If that’s the case then, as I pointed out earlier, can we REALLY call them Homo sapiens? They would have to be another species of hominid.
I do not believe for a second that we ARE apes. But, that’s a total matter of opinion and we are free to disagree. Primates? Yes. Apes? No. I really appreciate you bringing up the clock, good points there. Metallurgy, clothing, agriculture, etc, and I appreciate you wanting me to look at the world from the point of somebody living in the past who has never SEEN these things before. I agree that not everybody is a “thinker” who has the time and mental capacity to think about what they can do to make their lives easier. All excellent points!
You bring up an interesting point about the relatively tiny population. At the time of Christ there were only about 250 million people on earth. Now we have over six billion. That’s a 24 fold increase in the last 2,000 years. If evolution is correct and Homo sapiens came on the scene 2000,000 years ago, by 100,000 years ago the population of the earth should have been anything BUT tiny. Of course I admit that’s simply speculation that the current 2% annual population growth rate has remained unchanged since 200,000 years ago. Regardless of what I think I want to thank you for your strong answer and will be looking into books and other web sites for more information (yes, I have a library card and have checked out books in the past on the subject).
The theme that I see brought up the most is this; people who lived back then were too busy surviving than to take time out to make strong developments in science, language, art, architecture, civilization, transportation, social interactions, and a myriad of other things we take for granted each and every day in our modern world. I understand there are tribes and cultures that still live in caves and make stone tools, but even living in the most primitive conditions, they have complex social structures and means of communication. I understand that somebody is not going to invent something they don’t need and technology and other things can develop very slowly. However, I still find it very hard to believe that so much time could pass with so little coming out of it. 200,000 years; that’s a long, long time.
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- tehabwaLv 71 decade agoFavorite Answer
First, before I forget and because they're still on the copy/paste clipboard:
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/
http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/exhibits/index.php
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/life/evolution
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/being-human/hu...
That last is the most directly relevant to your question. (the newscientists links have links to some free stuff and some "subscriber only" stuff, unfortunately; but there's probably enough freebie stuff to help you).
First, we don't know everything, right? There were no cameras recording people's lives. We've been trying to piece the story together from really limited evidence.
Suppose you had never, in your whole life, seen or heard of a wheel. They're actually kinda complicated -- you need an axel and attach that to the "vehicle" in order for it to be useful; it's not as simple as "round things roll" is it?).
ould YOU have been able to come up with a functioning, useful wheel?
We don't really know when the first modern-type language arose. It's most likely that it came from earlier, simpler, proto-languages, which, if you go back far enough, would derive from the sorts of language our cousins have.
Chimps don't "just grunt" but have a variety of sounds they make.
Tools, huh? Chimps, BTW make tools, there may be some that use stone tools. Making a stone tool is a complicated line of thought, the notion of a tool for making a tool. That is, you have to use other things to make a stone tool (another stone), in order to do the thing the stone tool is for.
So part of it might be lacking the ability to reason with that many steps until fairly recently.
Also, there's no reason to make a tool unless there's something you need or want to do that requires the tool. So one's mode of life would have a big effect on when you start developing what kinds of tools.
(This is what I love most about this site! I've never thought through all this in just this way before. Having FUN, now! Sorry; back to your regularly-scheduled answer.)
About painting on the wall. WHY? Why do this? What I'm saying is that it's not that people wanted to and couldn't figure out how, but that the whole notion of a symbol for a real thing, and the desire to depict it was a recent development.
Our brains aren't an undifferentiated, general-use thing. We have specific areas that do very specific tasks. Representing things, and interpreting symbols are among those specific tasks. Before we had those "modules" the whole notion wouldn't come up.
Although I love the web and find it really informative, you might consider also reading some books. A book can go into the kind of detail you seek.
The story of how we came to be what we are now is being figured out as we speak, so newer books will be better. See if you can find some that specifically address the pre-human to human story.
BTW, we did descend from apes; we ARE apes ourselves.
About clocks. First, there was no need for people to tell time to the minute. You get up when it gets light. Do your thing. Then it's night.
They didn't do things like have doctor's appointments at 2:15.
The first need for clocks was religious. The monks needed to know exact times to do their prayers -- and the ones during the dark hours were especially tricky.
This last thing I learned from a really interesting book I recently read that I think you'd like:
The Explorers. It's a history of knowledge.
I also wanted to point out two more things. Our population was relatively tiny until really recently. We now have more people directly engaged, as full-time jobs, science and technology development than their used to be people alive at a given time in the far past.
Given that 1) living takes a LOT of time when you can't get things from stores; and 2) not everyone has an aptitude for invention, it's not as surprising to me that things took so long. Also, we now have access to the work of everyone else; before we had access to people near us, and a bit of advantage of trade.
Also, a given invention usually depends on other things already having been invented before.
You don't go from a working wheeled thing to a car in one step.
You're also denigrating the development that DID occur before the last group of things you list. Agriculture and domestication of animals. Over time, many refinements to both and expansions and improvements to both.
Building: homes, other buildings, and other large things.
Writing, art, working with metal. Clothing (from very simple to really, really complex).
Well, I hope this helped.
Possibly the single mistake we make when looking at the past is looking at it in OUR terms. What's obvious to someone living now wasn't obvious at all to someone living 4,000 years ago. You need to try to put yourself in their shoes. How much would YOU have invented had you lived, say, 50,000 years ago, in the culture of the time?
- targetbuttLv 61 decade ago
Think about it this way, from the year that Moses supposedly walked out of Egypt, how long did it take for men to go from using swords to using guns? Technology doesn't develop in a linear fashion. Once things get going to goes fast, but to get it going there were a lot of resistance to change. The technology change in the past 100 years of history reflects this. From as far back as the time of Moses, people rode around on horses, until the 1900's then all of a sudden we have planes and rocket ships.
Necessity is the mother of all invention. When people need nothing they are content. This is what happened for the first 190,000 years of existance. These early Homo Sapiens lived in small groups, they are content with how they live, and thinks that nothing should change. Much like the small tribes in the Amazon that they had just found. These people still live in the stone ages today. They also had no time to sit around mulling what they can do to make things better. They have to work all the time just to survive. Sitting around and thinking is a luxury they can't afford.
Add to that the influence of religion, and the resistance for change becomes much greater.
- 1 decade ago
Yeah, what a bunch of slackers those early homo sapiens were!
Single cell bacteria have been around for about 3.5 billion years. (Estimated 20 million to 800 million species now..)
Multicellular organisms showed up about 600 million years ago. Took almost 3 billion years to evolve from single cell to multicellular..
Mammals showed up about 200 million years ago. Early primates about 60 million years ago.
Our branch of the hominids started roughly 6 million years ago.
The language thing probably took millions of years to develop from grunts and snorts to Shakespeare.
About 3.5 billion years from bacteria to Shakespeare.
In spite of the fact that about 95% of all the species that have ever existed are extinct.
"What did Homo sapiens do for the first 190,000 years?" Just trying to stay alive.
And we might not even be around 100 years from now.