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A Question on The Perception of Socialism, Can you help me with this one?
I recently asked a question about how Posters here felt about The buy up of all these corporations and their debt, and asked If people felt it was a big move towards socialism. SOmething interesting happened, it seems the definition is divided on party lines as well. Most of the Democrats or Liberals (seemingly anyways) said that yes the take over and conversion to state run Business were that, then the Republicans or Conservatives said "No health care is'
One poster put it in this way "Conservatives only think it is Socialism if it helps poor people."
So, what say you YA! posters
Saving and helping Millionaires and Corporations isn't socialism, but helping Poor or sick people is?
Please clear this up for me.
Wannahug: I'm not sure how Demcorats MADE anyone make loans, up until last year the Republicans Received more contributions from Fannie and Freddie, it wasn't until the dems took over recently (and barely 49 / 49 in thesenate with 2 independants) tht the Dems got more money 51% to 49%) The Deregualtion started with the Gramm-Leach-Blieley Act in 1999
Moose: Its good to see a Republican who has reason and intelligence - there may be hope yet
qncyguy2- I like your take on it, thanks and I agree
deconstruct- thanks for the definition, that does help with some insight into the percepton differences, I kind of see where they're coming from
Boatma1 - so what about Police, fire and School? "My Hard earned Money" goes to a firedepartment that puts out a fire at my Neigbors house. My Neighbor across the Street is 50 and has no kids, but his takes go to pay for the school and teachers that my kids go to so what about that?
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- c.n.Lv 41 decade agoFavorite Answer
Despite what the first responder said, the blame can be traced back to a speech Pres Bush gave in June 2002, where he was laying out his grand new plan to make everyone a homeowner. Here's a few paragraphs:
e are here in Washington, D.C. to address problems. So I've set this goal for the country. We want 5.5 million more homeowners by 2010 -- million more minority homeowners by 2010. (Applause.) Five-and-a-half million families by 2010 will own a home. That is our goal. It is a realistic goal. But it's going to mean we're going to have to work hard to achieve the goal, all of us. And by all of us, I mean not only the federal government, but the private sector, as well.
And so I want to, one, encourage you to do everything you can to work in a realistic, smart way to get this done. I repeat, we're here for a reason. And part of the reason is to make this dream extend everywhere.
I'm going to do my part by setting the goal, by reminding people of the goal, by heralding the goal, and by calling people into action, both the federal level, state level, local level, and in the private sector. (Applause.)
And so what are the barriers that we can deal with here in Washington? Well, probably the single barrier to first-time homeownership is high down payments. People take a look at the down payment, they say that's too high, I'm not buying. They may have the desire to buy, but they don't have the wherewithal to handle the down payment. We can deal with that. And so I've asked Congress to fully fund an American Dream down payment fund which will help a low-income family to qualify to buy, to buy. (Applause.)
We believe when this fund is fully funded and properly administered, which it will be under the Bush administration, that over 40,000 families a year -- 40,000 families a year -- will be able to realize the dream we want them to be able to realize, and that's owning their own home. (Applause.)
The second barrier to ownership is the lack of affordable housing. There are neighborhoods in America where you just can't find a house that's affordable to purchase, and we need to deal with that problem. The best way to do so, I think, is to set up a single family affordable housing tax credit to the tune of $2.4 billion over the next five years to encourage affordable single family housing in inner-city America. (Applause.)
The third problem is the fact that the rules are too complex. People get discouraged by the fine print on the contracts. They take a look and say, well, I'm not so sure I want to sign this. There's too many words. (Laughter.) There's too many pitfalls. So one of the things that the Secretary is going to do is he's going to simplify the closing documents and all the documents that have to deal with homeownership.
It is essential that we make it easier for people to buy a home, not harder. And in order to do so, we've got to educate folks. Some of us take homeownership for granted, but there are people -- obviously, the home purchase is a significant, significant decision by our fellow Americans. We've got people who have newly arrived to our country, don't know the customs. We've got people in certain neighborhoods that just aren't really sure what it means to buy a home. And it seems like to us that it makes sense to have a outreach program, an education program that explains the whys and wherefores of buying a house, to make it easier for people to not only understand the legal implications and ramifications, but to make it easier to understand how to get a good loan.
- qncyguy21Lv 61 decade ago
<<liberals who made freddie & Conservatives only think it is Socialism if it helps poor people."
fannie extend loans to low income families who did not qualify>>
it is comments like this when you realize some people have no clue what is going on.
Socialism for the rich is fascism.
When the government uses its power for the benefit of elitists it is fascism. Do you think these bi businesses aren't governing government policiy to cover their own butts?
And yes i can definitely see someone saying "Conservatives only think it is Socialism if it helps poor people."
Especially the extreme right on Y/A who claim to be conservatives.
This probem should have been handled long ago when conservatives where denying it as lib doom and gloom, not just here on yahoo, but on talk radio, on FOX, and just about everywhere.
The kept saying the same thing.... the economy isn't it bad shape.
Like usual conservatives don't want to deal with a problem until it affects them personally.
Coporations tend to increase campaign donations to people who are in power, so they can help guide government policy.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
"Saving and helping Millionaires and Corporations isn't socialism, but helping Poor or sick people is?"
That's right. Saving and helping millionaires and corporations is corporatism, not socialism.
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power."--Benito Mussolini
"The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism—ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power."--FDR
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Heaven help us if YA is representative of America. I agree with your read on the differences between conservative and liberal takes on the current bailout. Sad.
As a true Republican (fiscal conservative/social moderate) we should be unwilling to let our economy slip into depression over ideology as well as being unwilling to let people die in the street. The government is not the enemy, the government is the people. We bond together for lots of things: defense, infrastructure, health and welfare, education. We can and should react to save our nation on all these fronts.
The devil with the extremists in both parties who want to kill the country/people on a cross of ideology.
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- Anonymous1 decade ago
I agree with the poster that said "Conservatives only think it is Socialism if it helps poor people."
- BullseyeLv 71 decade ago
It's really simple-- the Government has no right to take someone's legally earned money and give it to another person or to a company.
Anytime this is done it's SOCIALISM......... or theft!
- 1 decade ago
the real blame goes to liberals who made freddie & fannie extend loans to low income families who did not qualify
these companies just got in trouble holding garbage loan paper in the secondary market
hugs!