"socialized" health care?

I truly believe that the only people that have a problem with 'socialized' healthcare are completely selfish, and feel that their advantaged position should entitle them to priveleges that other people don't have.

I am SO frustrated with the state of healthcare right now. I have a serious pre-existing condition, and unable to get insurance coverage at ALL. I have been forced to pay for insurance through work, but it will not cover any of my medical conditions for the first year of coverage. I have deteriorated to the point that I will likely die without my medicines or treatment, while waiting out this pre-existing conditions exclusion period. I cannot pay for this out of pocket, because it would cost more than $5,000 per month. There is no hope for me, and no help or assistance out there.

But that's not everybody else's problem, I'm told.

They will posit their answer in terms of keeping choice the patient's and doctor's prerogative, but if you have seen the ugly side of the present US system of healthcare, totally dominated by insurance companies, you know that it is NOT currently the patient's or doctor's choice that determines things anyway. As it stands, the doctor can recommend a course of treatment which the insurance companies deny. And the patient can expect a return on their investment in insurance, only to have it thwarted by a bureaucrat with a pen and a profit motive. It's tragic, horrible stuff, our current healthcare AS IMPLEMENTED. The science and cures are there, but people are often being blocked from them. That's fundamentally wrong. Maybe better government oversight of the insurance company review process is an essential part of any healthcare reform plan. If it's affordable and these little self-annointed false gods are still denying claims in order to get bonuses and keep their jobs -- rejection quotas, in other words -- even cheap insurance prices will do no good.

Its the false idea that health care means "pay for someone else than you who can be someone that never pay tax" and socialism means taxes when its a term that have to do with how a government deals with firms. What the difference between owning a part of a firm and not been allowed to help them with cash when things don't go well and not being allowed to own part of a firm and give mass cash when troubles occurs. In a democratic and capitalist system its the same in the end

Citizens have been teach they do only capitalism and the bad guy was under communism and socialism. This is underline by memories of 50's 60's gold years economy under cold war. Years that can't been brought back when the economy lead go elsewhere on the globe pushing gouvernment to save firms like they didn't used to with mass cash in each sector

But the truth is socialism ideas are mix with capitalism in US since a long time and the good/bad guy difference of cold war was in fact democracy and dictatorship. Socialism develop well with democracy and capitalism and Capitalism can also develop very well with dictatorship

I mean look UK they have socialism mix with capitalism under democraty since a century and their taxes aren't higher.

Its sure Health care costs but it also develop health prevention, birth rate, longevity and productivity at work and that's some cash back and also helps consumption in the end

However there should be a minimal system cause you can have work all your life, that ll not prevent your child from fatal death for illness that ll have been cure in another country cause of insurances. Same with the simple 35 years heart attack for men without cash troubles, the ones that work and consume the more but don't have the reflex to detect and prevent themselves cause of their traditionnal uses with medical system and hospitals.

Because Middle class Americans have been educated to believe that allowing insurance companies to make huge amount of money out of illness is in some way synonymous with 'rugged individualism' or the 'free market'.

The reason some people are against it is that simply believe the lies and rhetoric that has been thrown out there against it since the 50s, most of it paid for by the medical and drug communities at large, afraid that their obscene profits will be marginalized.

That's why, for instance, they did everything they could to make sure that Medicare and the other government agencies didn't band together and demand lower prices for drugs as a group purchase.

Everyone talks about how nice it would be to have socialized healthcare until it comes to bringing it here. I know I'm guilty on that charge. I just wonder how to make quality healthcare part of our national budget affordable for so many.

Because we dont trust our gov with that much money. They already cant handle what we give them as it is. We cant afford to hand over the extra money and it be misused.

AND

Since for profit health care is all most of these people have ever known.. Its hard for them to imagine that they would get adequate care. As it stands now, if you dont have insurance, you arent getting treated. You can go to the ER, but all they are legally required to do is stabalize you, nothing more. I think people have been burned so much when they didnt have the money to pay, that they dont believe they would get good care.

And since every other faucet of public health care SUCKS (Medicare, Medicaid, VA hospitals, ect), its hard to think it would be any different with a national public health system.

American are afraid of the word "socialized" We associate it with communism. I have lived in Canada and UK and never worried about seeing a doctor, and never spent a cent for two hernia operations. You live longer with socialized health care.

Look at how well the government stayed on top of regulating the banks. Look at how fast they responed to hurricane Katrina. Then you have bridges crumbling down killing people in Minnesota. You want to put these people in charge of my health care? Thanks, but no thanks.

And nothing is free. Somebody is paying for your health care coverage. And I don't know if you've picked up a newspaper in the last 14 days, but I got news for you, our Treasury Department is broke.

Because people are intelligent enough to know that free isn't free.

I've worked hard to get where I am in my life, and I really don't see how it's fair for me to have my taxes hiked through the ceiling to pay for other peoples health insurance.

I guess I'm not "socialized" enough - I'm sick and tired of giving up my money to pay for handout programs for other people.

Just a note - I have been a nurse for a long time, and NEVER have we turned a patient away because they didn't have insurance. But, many many people waste the resources that ARE available by making trips to the the ER that should be seen at a physicians office or clinic for 1/4 of the cost. Every time people on Medicaid waltz their diaper rashed baby or snot nosed kid into the ER that's a waste of resources and money......the tax payers money. They are not turned away - but their bill gets paid. We pay their bills.

No way am I going to be taxed to death to pay for the irresponsibility of others - it's bad enough already.