Would Christians endorse devil-worshipers as fellow Christians?

It's hopeless, Marcus. We have tried from every angle and they don't understand why it upsets us so much. They really do seem to believe that they somehow have the 'right' to call themselves Jews, because Jesus was Jewish! It's beyond me, too, but I think the only people who will even understand what you are saying are those who ALREADY understand why the terms "Messianic Jew" or "Messianic Judaism" are an anathema to us. That includes all the Jews, obviously, but quite a number of Christians, most if not all of the Pagans, and several others. But those who don't get it refuse to get it and will only hurl further insults and disrespect. I have to say that being told we Jews have misunderstood our own scriptures, that we can't understand Hebrew, that we are just being obstinate in not accepting that some man who may have lived 2000 years ago is a redefined messiah, a term they have appropriated and caused to mean something entirely different from what we were talking about..... oh, words fail me. It's hopeless.

Well all this devil worship may have some truth to it, as its public knowledge now that both Bush and Kerry are members of the Yale fraternity 'Skull and bones'......these guys are also known as the 'brotherhood of death' and both have admitted it in front of video cameras, so they cant deny it. Neither will elaborate because the bonesmen take an oath to never reveal details of the group Most intelligent people have figured out that bonesmen, deal with gaining and dispensing high government positions as well as private sector jobs where they have a lot of influence over their communities and the flow of money. Critics tell us that they gain their high level jobs by planning and accomplishing certain tasks (crimes) the bigger the crime the higher the position they get, this is done because the top jobs are held by bonesmen also, and they clear the way for the young up and comers. Obviously their crimes are kept secret and used as a reminder that they can never turn on their own or the crimes will be revealed. For instance have you read about or seen the video footage filmed at Bohemian grove? its very weird to learn that the worlds richest people meet together like that, dress in black robes and do wierd ceremonies. That story deserves more investigation for sure. I find it very interesting that John Kerry and George Bush were fellow bonesmen, that would prove that no matter who you voted for, youre gonna get a bonesman. Perhaps this 2 party election crap needs to change?

Oh my goodness, what a lot of bile your question has provoked!

I can understand your reasoning & partly agree with paperback writers level headed comment. However there are some religions that don't worship Christ as part of a trinity - for them, he is ONE- makes sense as God did favour the Jewish nation and revealed his Godly qualities to them - why would he suddenly change his very being, into a trinitarian Godhead?

Consider - if Jesus rejected (MAtt 5) people who claimed to do many good works in his name (the scriptural command that we are to worship in spirit & truth comes to mind here), then does that mean all but the one true faith, are actually, unbeknown to them, worshiping the Devil? (Cue lots of thumbs downs!)

Anyway, just wanted to give you a Christian response that doesnt spit bile at you!

I, personally, would consider them Xians. But, Xians wouldn't accept anyone who worships devils. As you said, Xians consider messianics to be Jewish, not the Jews. Therefore, anyone who worships the Xian devil and accepts Jesus will not be considered Xian by the Xians. I'm not Xian so, literally, anyone who accepts Christ is Xian in my opinion. It doesn't matter who else they worship.

it all comes down to Jesus doesn't it. The most topical religious debates usually evolve around the Messiah.

Why does it all matter?

All of these religious things are fire and smoke when you know the Lord personally.

God gave us a manual yet we all bicker and complain.

I think that once a person no longer fears death--they have true peace. This is spoken about in the Bible as called "The knowledge of God"

Jew or Gentile, Satan worshiper or Christian Denomination all is rubbish apart from God and apart from Christ.

No one knows the things of God.

No one can imagine the things of God.

Why then do we act as though we know the things of God.

Thanks,

P.S. Its not about WHAT you know as much as WHO you know. Thanks..

Typical. The morons who have answered who have least understood your post, are the MOST abusive.

So for the sake of anyone out there who is not getting it:

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The *Christian* Evangelists that go round posing as 'messianic jews' AND 'messianic muslims' are just that: ***Christians***

Definition of ‘Jew’: Person born to Jewish mother

Person who converts to Judaism

Judaism has defined ‘Jew’ thus for over 5000 yrs

Definition of Messianic: Christian Evangelical Cult

Founded by Christian missionaries

Funded by Evangelical Churches

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Messianic “jew”: Christian Evangelical who claims Jews were ‘wrong’ not to worship Jesus as messiah. Messianics take Jewish customs and rituals and Christianise them. Messianic spend billions trying to convert Jews to their Cult.

http://www.ajewwithaview.com/themissionaryposition...

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(see also **Messianic ‘MUSLIMS’**: Christian evangelicals who claim to be the ‘real muslims’ and who try and convert Muslims to their cult

http://www.mtw.org/home/site/templates/mtw_invisio...

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There is *no* debate over the fact that Messianic = Christian missionaries.

The founder of the largest Messianic group admits it:

In a document ‘What Evangelical Christians should know about Messianic “jews” , Martin Meyer reveals:

‘We consider ourselves an arm of the local **Church**. We are Evangelists. We are accountable to the Church. As we win and ***convert*** Jewish people, we urge them to take their place in a local Evangelical **Church**, or establish a congregation. Our duty is to aid the **Church** at large and to gather in the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel.’

- from ‘Holy Terror’ by Conway and Seigelman

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What Messianics DO:

Messianics have taken core Jewish festivals, customs, symbols and scriptures and have Christianised them, thus stripping them of their true and authentic meaning. These include:

JEWISH Passover: commemorates exodus of Egypt of the Israelites

Messianic ‘passover’: revolves around Jesus as the ‘sacrificial lamb’.

JEWISH Rabbi: spiritual advisor and Scholar who has spent years in a Yeshiva, before receiving ‘semicha’ (ordination). Knows the Torah, Tanakh and Talmud thoroughly.

Messianic ‘rabbi’: Christian Evangelical Pastor; not ordained, not Jewish, not versed in Torah, Tanakh or Talmud.

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WHAT MESSIANICS BELIEVE:

- god is part of Trinity

- Jesus had virgin birth

- Jesus was divine saviour

- resurrection

- original sin

- Jesus died for the sins of all mankind

- non Christians/Messianics will go to Hell, if they don’t ‘find jesus’

So clearly: Messianic beliefs = Christian beliefs

WHAT JEWS BELIEVE

- G-d is ONE

- no such thing as ‘virgin birth’

- Jewish Maschiach has not arrived yet

- Jewish Messiah will be HUMAN

- All humans born PURE and innocent (no such thing as ‘original sin’)

- the Torah states: NO MAN can die for others’ sins

- no such thing as ‘hell’

- righteous of all nations will have ‘a share in the world to come’

- all humans are *equally* G-d’s children

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Messianic holy scripture: the CHRISTIAN New Testament

JEWISH holy scripture: the TORAH

Messianics are *not* JEWS. They are CHRISTIANS.

No Christian Evangelical movement has the right to try and Redefine Jewish identity, Jewish customs, Jewish beliefs and Jewish scriptures.

Real Jews Don’t Worship Jesus.

I don't think I have ever been so tempted to curse someone out on here until now.

How in the hell can you compare Jews with "devil-worshipers"? Jews who practice Judaism, believe in the same God that Christians do, they just don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah. But Messianic Jews do! So what is your problem? Because they follow a special, healthy diet?

Are you some kind of Aryan white supremist? Seriously, what is your deal?

They probably wouldn’t though they should. To believe in a devil means that you also believe in a god. If you believe in the christian devil you are a christian as well.

Do YOU know what a Christian is ?

From your discourse above, I don't think you have a clue !

A Christian is one who believes that Jesus ( the CHRIST ) is their salvation.

And this includes "Messianic Jews"

Further, those who believe Satan ( devil worship ) are NOT included.

May God bless you as you study His Word

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Being Jewish isn't just a religion, it's a culture. Being Messianic, means that you accept that Jesus Christ is the Messiah. Why don't you go crawl back under the rock you came from.