Why won't some Christians believe Jews when we say Jesus is not part of our religion?

The fact that Jesus or every other failed Davidic Mosiach hopeful has been a Jew does NOT change the other unchangable fact of Judaism.

Worship of or through a Jew is a violation of God's commandments in Torah for Jews to do!

I made that rhyme so that you might easier remember it. It's a fact.

It's not changed since the Torah first appeared and it won't change in the future.

It makes no difference how many Christians declare that their religion has authority to change the eternal covenant of God with Israel, they can't and won't.

We're still here as evidence that they haven't done so.

originally the replacement theology of Christianity was intended to be a way to eliminate the Jewish people, it also helped to make sense of the various waves of antisemitism and persecution since then. It goes in cycles but the underlying justification for the past 2000 years plus..has been based on eliminating the Jew justified by their righteous belief that they are placating their deity ( by whatever name called)

All of the polytheistic beliefs were somewhat "used" to their political leaders telling them what gods were to be venerated during their rule and which deity their ruler was representative of in human form. Adding a new deity or giving a new name to an ancient deity whose belief was already established was not that big a deal for most of the Gentile population. Tanakh recorded that any time such a practice of a Jewish king telling the Jews that they were to worship a foreign deity...the entire Jewish people suffered..and often at the very hands of the people whose deity they had left God to serve. That lesson is told right in our Jewish Bible, the same one the Christians have as an adaptation of their Old Testament, yet they rarely see this in the story because their New Testament also imposes topsy-turvy meaning to the context of the stories in so many places.

Christians did not want their flock to know the Paschal lamb represented a false man-god of Egypt, so they changed it into a sacrifice for sin to justify human sacrifice (or deicide depending on whether or not they are calling Jesus God in human form). Rather than his blood expiating sin, the blood on the door was an act of defiance showing the Egyptians that the life force (blood) representing their deity was spilled by the Hebrew slaves and their god was powerless over the God of Israel to do a thing about it. It was an act of rejection of the gods of Egypt and alliance to the God of Israel, and that’s in the Torah in Exodus in context. Rather than show that Isaiah was slamming a man for calling himself a man/god, Christian dogma personifies and makes a proper name for their Latin translations word for star and turns that story into something about a fall of angels (no where mentioned in that narrative at ALL) and justifies creating of the "name" Lucifer for a demi-god of the underworld Devil. (That isn’t in the Tanakh but fits the underworld described in Plato’s narrative recalling the ancient the Myth of Er) Every aspect of Jewish belief is given a new spin. Things that I once thought must have been fabricated outright I later discovered were beliefs of the ancient Greeks and Romans. This was the longstanding battle for souls going on..the Hellenized Jews, those who had become apostate to Judaism, desired to entice other Jews to worship as the Greeks that they believed superior in philosophy and knowledge, so they created texts that tried to say..see this is what it was supposed to have been all along. However, reality was that those beliefs were identical to the beliefs and practices that the Torah demonized (Baal, Tammuz and Mithras worship and customs play most frequently)

Once one begins an in-depth study of the religious practices and beliefs of all the peoples surrounding the Jews in the centuries just preceding the beginning of Christianity, one can see these developments take place. It was a concerted effort to do away with Israel and Judaism.

When Hadrian renamed Judea, Palestina, a Latinized version of the name of the Philistines, it was only done to insult the Jews. The Philistines had long since completely assimilated into the surrounding peoples, and the only vestiges of those ancient Agean seafaring people were artifacts and place names by the year 135 when Hadrian changed the name of Judea in attempt to obliterate the presence of the Jewish people. If you are indoctrinated to believe that Jews are blinded to God and that the Jews covenant has been superseded by a different covenant and refuse to follow the way of God and therefore deserve punishment because of that, you can easily justify any behavior done to Jews. Or at the very least, turn your back in apathy when others do so , saying to yourself that, if only they had believed in Jesus, this wouldn‘t have happened to them. History has shown this time and again. Personal encounters with Christians who tell me they love me to try to convince me to abandon my faith for theirs and then turn vicious with insult when I politely decline reveal this, too. Religious Jews believe that abandoning the faith of God through the eternal Torah, the relationship that is believed to have kept Israel alive through all such previous attempts, would be worse than anything that anyone could do OR HAS done to Jews.

I believe that there is sincerity in the heart of many Christians when they claim that they try to convert us out of love and concern for our souls, but it is a misguided love at best. If you love someone, you would not ask them to abandon the very thing that makes them who they are and the thing most dear to them, and my faith is most dear to me.

When we refuse to recognize their “truths” and abandon Judaism to embrace their replacement theology, history has shown that this love often allows many Christians to act out in hatred or turn a blind eye to others who do because of a belief that is repeated from church pulpits, “Jews deserve to be punished for rejecting Jesus and only when they come to embrace him will their suffering end.” Not only have I heard this sentiment come straight from the mouths of Christian clergy in person and on television, I’ve read this virtually hundreds of times from people who professed their Christian belief all over Yahoo in the past 9 years.

If Christians want to insist that God lied the many places the covenant is called eternal and can be superceded, then how can they have faith their own covenant was not superceded with Islam?

You're right, it is fraudulent to call oneself Jewish if your belief violates the core tenets of Torah. It disrespects both Christianity and Judaism and violates the commandment of "thou shalt not bear false witness"

Bottom line..many of them refuse to believe Jews when we tell them the truth about Judaism because their dogma through Paul gives them reason to believe they have that authority..sad isn't it?

edit: It is also a sad testament to widespread antisemitism that disrespect of the right of the Jewish people to Jewish law and self-determination of our identity as a people though that law is so utterly disrespected...as also evidenced by the speed my accurate answer was given a thumbs down!

I have no idea.

I am amazed at how many Christians say we do not understand our own religion. They counter with "Jesus was a Jew" as though that explains it all.

We don't think about Jesus. We did not so much reject him as just not accept him. There is a difference. Our religion is not one of hating Jesus. It is one of honoring Torah and living as G-d commanded. Christianity honors Jesus. I actually had someone once tell me they thought Pesach was the celebration of Jews killing Jesus. Of course, they could not explain why then he was in Jerusalem to celebrate Pesach at the time he was killed. Many are totally convinced that a deep hatred and denial of Jesus lies at the root of Judaism. Nothing could be further from the truth. We don't hate or deny Jesus. He is simply inconsequential. We do not get this from Muslims. They don't claim our religion centers around denying Mohamed. We don't get it from Buddhists. It seems to stem from the fact that Jesus was a Jew and therefore, we are rejecting Jesus and our religion centers around it.

OY!

It is the deadly combination of arrogance and ignorance.

By the way, Jesus fulfilled NO Torah prophesy. The Torah is Jewish. The OT is a mistranslation of the Torah. Maybe in that version he fulfilled something. I don't know.

I do know you cannot be a Jew and Christian at the same time.

EDIT: By dad (a Rabbi) and I were just talking about this as I answered this. He said that the problem is that they think we know he is the Messiah but deny him anyway. We "know the truth" but deny it. The Christian translation is so fundamentally different than the Torah/Tanakh that they actually believe we have Jesus in the Torah and yet we choose to deny him. That means to many, we are more "guilty" than someone who never knew Jesus or is hearing about him for the first time and laughs. We were the "keepers" of the Torah until Jesus came (according to Christian tradition) and Jesus is "clearly talked about in the Torah" and therefore we know the truth and outright reject it. He also said that because of the wording of the Christian Bible it is hard ot make a dent in that mindset.

Let me state again for record, Jesus is irrelevant in Judaism. He did not fufill prophesy. He is not talked about in the Torah.

The Messiah is yet to come and the Messiah will be a man of flesh and blood. Not G-d or the son of G-d or a spirit being.

They want so much to be right and to legitimatize the being of their religion and it will never happen.

They want to say that we rejected the truth and they have it and

In doing so they think they can claim that they have standing in the religious community

But the religious community they belong in will never be our community. They only have standing if they can discredit us and since they have no idea what makes us different that will never happen.

Our difference is that we have no original sin.

Their poor cabbage patch will never put forth the rose with the 13 petals.

Because they refuse to understand that Jesus failed to fulfill even one of the Jewish prophecies for the Messiah. They literally CANNOT allow themselves to understand or accept that, because their religion would crumble around them. That's why they have to insist that Jesus is found all over the "old testament" and the Jews are blind.

EDIT: Mike, luckily for the Jews, Torah law given by God already dictates who is a Jew and the criteria is clearly laid out. Your opinion as to what or who a Jew is, is completely irrelevant.

Sorry but believe the NT is not only arrogant but anti-semetic as well!! Xtians not only mistranslate our Torah they interpret our prophets to be referring to Jesus & isn't so as you know...

Those xtians who call themselves Jews for the most part weren't Jewish at all..They fraudently attempt deceiving other Jews to convert to their xtianity!

Jewish & Never Again,shalom

It must be arrogance.

Like the first person to answer your excellent question, Xians think they know more about Judaism than we do, simply because their god is Jewish.

And for the thousandth time:

Jezus did not fufill any of the prophecies in the Jewish Bible.

aaarrrgggghhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Because they don't know religious history, and believe that Orthodox Judaism somehow flowed into modern Christianity.

As a Christian, I find nothing more frustrating than people that don't know what they believe. It is even more frustrating when those same people have the audacity to argue with your religious history.

I believe that Jesus is the fulfillment of Judaism and the Law, but understand that you do and cannot believe that.

I don't know, but if you're referring to the Messianic Jews then I'd say Yes, they probably confuse a lot of people who don't do any research into Judaism.

But he HAS to be! It's in the Bible! (Oh, wait, your Bible is DIFFERENT! You "left out" the New Testament. What a conundrum!)

OMG!

Are you saying that Jesus is not part of Jewish/Judiasm's faith.

Say it ain't so.

I don't believe you!

But I'm not sure why?

Because they (the ones that say that) have been brought up in a bubble.