Christian witch/christian wicca/ christopaganism....?

Christianity has a centuries-old tradition of magic. Yes many forms and practices are forbidden, but there are those that are not. I could send you resources about them if you are interested.

Christian and pagan - I don't get it personally, but as pagan is a rather large umbrella you could put many beliefs together under it.

But Christian Wiccan is an oxymoron. Unlike paganism, Wicca *does* have a defined core of beliefs - and they directly contradict the core beliefs of Christianity.

Christianity and Wicca as a syncretic, hyphenate religion cannot exist. While there those who very sincerely believe that they are following both, they are not...

The fault rests on how one defines Christian.

If you define Christian as one who believes Christ existed, regardless of whether or not one believes in his teaching, it is possible that one could define oneself as a Wiccan Christian, but most Christians would say, quite rightly, that merely believing Christ EXISTED is NOT what makes a Christian.

Merriam Webster (m-w.com) defines a Christian as " one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ*"

It is possible to PROFESS belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ and be a Wiccan.

..You'd also be a liar.

Because it is impossible to BELIEVE IN or AGREE WITH those teachings as a Wiccan.

One common teaching in Christianity that is used to define Christianity is the Nicene Creed. If we examine it, we can see it is ABSOLUTELY NOT COMPATIBLE WITH WICCA. Observe.

(My comments follow in brackets:)

The Nicene Creed:**

We believe in one God, [Wiccans are polytheists]

the Father, the Almighty,[Wicca does not teach omnipotence]

maker of heaven and earth,

of all that is, seen and unseen.

[Wicca does not support Creationism but instead teaches "as above, so below, which includes the idea that the Universe may be interpreted by observation of its parts]

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,

the only Son of God,

eternally begotten of the Father,

God from God, Light from Light,

true God from true God,

begotten, not made,

of one Being with the Father.

[Wicca teaches that there are multiple gods, and that all people are children of gods. Wicca does not mention Jesus at all.]

Through him all things were made.

[Wicca teaches that humankind makes many things.]

For us and for our salvation

[Wicca has no concept of salvation]

he came down from heaven:

by the power of the Holy Spirit

[Wicca has no heaven, nor a Holy Spirit]

he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,

and was made man.

[Wicca teaches that humans are born human and gods are born gods. Transformation in one life from one species to another is not a part of Wicca.]

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;

he suffered death and was buried.

[HUGE POINT! Wicca teaches that RESPONSIBILITY for all of a Wiccan's actions are upon that Wiccan, and must be taken care of by that Wiccan. Thus, in Wicca, it is impossible to die or suffer for someone ELSE except in very specific, personal situations (like taking a bullet for someone.) Wicca teaches there are no SINS, so there was literally no reason for Christ to die!]

On the third day he rose again

in accordance with the Scriptures;

[This is in no WICCAN Scripture]

he ascended into heaven

and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

[Wicca has no concept of who sits to what side of any father deity.]

He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,

and his kingdom will have no end. [Wicca has no teaching about a half-god judging living or dead, and, in fact, has teachings about who judges the dead...There is also no teaching of a Kingdom to Come in Wicca.]

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,

who proceeds from the Father and the Son.

[And Wiccans don't]

With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.

[Which Wiccans don't do.]

He has spoken through the Prophets.

[Who are not Wiccan.]

We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.

[Which Wiccans do not.]

We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

[Wiccans neither baptize nor sin.]

We look for the resurrection of the dead,

[Wiccans do not.]

and the life of the world to come.

[Wicca does not teach of a coming future world, but of NOW worlds.]

I am sure there are some who think they are Wiccan and Christian, but they aren't. Either you think Jesus died for your sins (Christianity) or you acknowledge the doctrine of Self-responsibility as a proper person or adult human (Wicca). They are mutually self-exclusive.

I actually feel sorry for those that do think they are one and the same because every one of them I have met confuses Wicca (Worship of the gods and living by their standards) with magic, and Christianity has a long and perfectly valid tradition of magic that existed BEFORE WICCA ever existed. Here are some books discussing it:

The Magical Writings of Thomas Vaughan:

http://www.amazon.com/Magical-Writi

There are so many issues here that I don't know which to tackle first.

The first part is that while you bring up a valid point with the other deities in WIcca, YHVH was the only one that said "You shall have no other gods before me." At least Wiccans have enough respect to keep YHVH out of Wicca when they realised he didn't play well with the others.

Also, Wicca has a God and a Goddess. Where's the Goddess? If you're using a God as both male and female at the same time, then you are missing a large chunk of the point of the duality of deity in Wicca.

Secondly, what you are claiming in regard to Early "Christopagans" is false. They had an umbrella term for what they were, which covered a variety of things. Gnostics. It was taken by a lot of groups to mean a lot of things.

Ultimately, Christian Wicca is a construct made up by people that are too afraid to honestly leave a church that no longer makes sense to them. If it's Wicca, then there is no need for the Jewish idea of the messiah, AKA the Christ. If it's Christian, then it ain't Wicca on the grounds that Wicca is fertility religion that has nothing to do with seeking redemption through a Christ figure.

Also defining it as Christian doesn't make it so and I'm sure there are oodles of Christians that will back me up.

Christian Wicca is a mystery to so many. C.W. is an eclectic form of Christianity. Those who can not consider any other teachings except the Bible are very uncomfortable with this religion. Christian Wicca believes in the trinity of God the Father, God the Mother (Goddess), and the Son God Jesus. We also study and practice the principles of the Bible, Kabbalah, Gnostic Gospels and Wiccan teachings. Possibly the most important concept of C.W. is their inclusion of the Divine Feminine. Basically, there can not be a birth with out a father AND a mother. We worship the Mother Goddess as having equal power in creation. The Mother is present in every aspect of Spiritual teachings, even the Bible. (Although you have to look hard to find it there.) Also, there is a difference between being Christo-pagan and being Christian Wiccan. Before you go on the air with your report, look up the two and take note of the major differences. I won't do it here because it will simply get too lengthy. Just know that they are different. I am often criticized by Christians and Wiccans alike. (More so Christians. Wiccans tend to be more open-minded.) I hope I have answered some of your questions. Good luck with your radio report....Blessings!

It's an oxymoron, moreso on the Christian side, as Christianity condemns any form of Witchcraft or sorcery. To be a Christian witch, is wrong in the eyes of the Church. You cannot be a Christian witch, and still believe that because you believe in Jesus, you can go to heaven yet still practice witchcraft.

Also, Wicca involves the belief in multiple deities. Christianity forbids the belief in any Gods besides the Christian God. To practice Wicca violates the commandment "thou shalt not have any other Gods before me".

The thing is Christianity goes against the teachings of the other faiths, yes even that of Wicca.

You say you worship One God.. OK.. whose God?

I can see why it would be viewed as an oxymoron. Like when Christians mixed their practices with some Liturgy and a few Jewish Holidays. It created a big mess which they call Judaism but which really isn't.

Any time you try and mix religion's you end up with something totally different and it creates a "New" faith.

As a Wiccan I have no objection at all to a Christian witch. A Christian can practice magic if she wants.

Serious objections to combinations of Christianity with certain pagan faiths (including Wicca) have nothing to do with the fact that involves Christianity. You cannot be a monotheist and polytheist. If you are worshipping only one deity, *you are not a Wiccan*. Your presonal beliefs are totally contrary to basic tenets of the faith. If you worship multiple deities, then you are breaking a commandment.

BTW, religious people do not "use" God. They aren't like salt and. pepper. The reason Wiccans do not deal with Yahweh is because, at best, we're respecting his request that followers only follow him.

"Christian witch" isn't a problem for me since anyone of any religion can practice witchcraft.

Being a Christian and a Wiccan is impossible since the foundational beliefs are different. For example, Wicca is polytheistic while Christianity is monotheistic. You simply can't be both.

the term "Christopaganism" just doesn't make sense. Paganism refers to all religions that aren't Christianity, Judaism, or Islam. How a person could possibly be a Christian and a pagan is beyond me.

I take it you yourself are a Christian Witch?

I think it is very much a matter of semantics. Also point of view. Many non Catholic denominations think Catholics are witches because we burn sanctuary candles and use incense. During the Protestant Revolution many Catholics were burned at the stake AS witches.

In truth, however, certain people have gifts. I have the gift of discernment. I see spirits. I also have the gift of knowledge. Sometimes I just know things. On a very rare occassion, I have the gift of prophecy. I see the future.

Some people would call me a witch. But in the proper context both of these things are biblical.

I also think there is a lot of fear based on a mistranslation in the bible. We're all familiar with "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." However, the proper term is sorcerer. Not everyone who calls themself a witch makes use of magic. Bending and changing things to their will.

Historically speaking though, many saints changed things through prayer. Hildegard von Bingen would hault storms. St. Bridget barely escaped being burned as a witch for her visions. St. Patrick drove out the snakes and walked through fire.

Get some books. Be informed.

One can Amalgamate these religions, and it's not an Oxymoron, but rather it's own tradition. Not Christianity nor Wicca really, but something new. I like the term Christopagan. It seems pretty amalgamate.

because wiccan practices aren't part of christianity or judaism. so once you try to contort religious doctrines into your own little personal beliefs, it becomes automatically void. once you start coming up with things like christian wicca, or buddist christianity or come other distorted sects, it just shows that you aren't strong enough/ are too stubborn to stick to one religion. picking and choosing beliefs does not make you a christian or a wiccan. stick to one.