Do any global warming doubters believe that global warming has not stopped?

Most of the skeptics here are at a much more fundamental level of cognitive disconnect with the science. So providing objective analysis will never happen.

For example, when the temperature trend was increasing, the sensor network was faulty. We don't hear too much about bad sensor networks now that temperatures have flattened out somewhat. Once temperature starts increasing in a couple of years, we will hear more about faulty sensor networks. But you don't hear climate scientists saying that the observed decline in global temperature is due to faulty temperature measurements. Instead they provide explanations grounded in the solar minimum and cold phase of the PDO (which cut to climate variability and have little to do with anthropogenic climate change). That skeptics don't recognize this fundamental distinction between their side (arguing from emotion) and the scientists, who actually try to explain what is going on, is another of the many many reasons I consider most of them to be jokes, even the ones who claim to have a smattering of a technical background.

My point is that the skeptics will take anything as evidence that what they want to believe is true, regardless of how hard it flies in the face of rational objective analysis. It's why many of them, even the most "scholarly," will provide links to papers appearing in "Energy and Environment" as support for their arguments and will accept statistical gobbledygook from people like McIntyre in place of clear physical reasoning. (Here's a hint people, if McIntyre had a real point about Trenberth et al., he would argue the physics as Pierre-Humbert does in deconstructing the nonsense from Spencer et al., rather than appealing to esoteric statistical tricks I doubt none of you truly understand, and if were completely understood, would be seen to be at best misleading.)

As Firesign Theater said: "The people. Give them a light, and they will follow it anywhere."

"1) Do you believe the planet Earth has stopped warming?"

Yes, I feel the turning point happened last winter and will continue to cool while the PDO is in it's cool phase and depending on what sun spot cycle 24 does it could be a significant cooling trend.

2) Can you produce any data which *statistically* supports this claim?

http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/essay_bond.html

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=...

http://www.jisao.washington.edu/pdo/

Look at the jisao graph and then see how they coincide with this temperature graph.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/gcag/GCAGdealtemX?mon1=1&...

Note - It wouldn't give me 2007 as an end point so the best I could do was 2006.

Edit: I just ran across this information this morning:

http://www.climate4you.com/

Google it!

David J. Bellamy (born 1933) is an English professor, botanist, author, broadcaster and environmental campaigner. of denying global warming, and he has expressed a very public opposition to windfarms. A typographical error in a recent letter he published in the New Scientist (April 16th, 2005) suggested a large percentage (555 of 625!!) of the world's glaciers were advancing, not retreating. This was a gift for global warming deniers, but turned out to be untrue and misleading, after George Monbiot got on the detective trail.

SOURCE:

Source Watch

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=David_B...

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May 15, 2005

Wildlife groups axe Bellamy as global warming ‘heretic’

Bellamy, 72, a former botany lecturer.

Plantlife International and of the Royal Society of Wildlife Trusts. Both organisations have given warnings that wildlife faces a catastrophe because of global warming.

They have been acutely embarrassed to discover that while they have been campaigning to raise awareness, their president (Bellamy, 72, a former botany lecturer) has been leading seminars and writing articles in science magazines declaring that man-made warming is a myth.

Last month he made similar assertions in New Scientist magazine when he claimed that glaciers were expanding because the world was getting cooler rather than warmer. The claim contradicted recent scientific studies that found 85% of the world’s glaciers are in retreat.

SOURCE:

Times On Line

2http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article52...

Apparently not.

Dr. Jello provided a link yesterday that contradicted his "question", which stated that the earth was cooling:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Ap0mO...

Here's the "evidence" provided:

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_im...

He tried to argure that the onset of WINTER shows that it's cooling! Even that point ignores the clear evidence on the chart that sea ice extent has been well below normal, even during the relatively cool La Nina years of 2007 and 2008.

Another interesting piece of "evidence" offered recently was this page by Roy Spencer:

http://www.weatherquestions.com/Roy-Spencer-on-glo...

Roy's chart from his research paper near the top of the page shows significant warming, but the version from the book he has published to cash in on global warming doubters contains charts like Figure 9 that only show satellite measurements of the lower atmosphere, contradicting the data he published as a scientific researcher. Apparently anything works when you're in the process of cashing in on the skeptics' desire to cling to something!

I should write a skeptical book. With so many enthusiastic followers, the market seems very lucrative, and I wouldn't be required to offer any credible science.

We are relatively cold when you look at some climate proxies.

http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=145

I have no reason to believe it won't continue the warming trend for a while longer after taking a short hiatus. I don't have any reason to believe the temperature isn't moderately higher due to human emissions of CO2. I also wouldn't be too surprised if we entered into a colder period. Time will tell.

1) There HASN'T been a year hotter than 1998.

2) Perhaps that's not fair since 1998 was an El Nino year. But then, it's equally unfair to compare median income or federal tax revenue to 2000, the peak of Greenspan's biggest money bubble, and most AGW supporters make that comparison in the Politics section.

3) But fine - let's use 2000. Temps have been flat since then. 2008 to date is on the bubble for "top 10 warmest years."

4) 2005 was NOT warmer than 1998. Only GISS concluded that and GISS' average is Northern Hemisphere-biased, thus land-temperature biased.

I think you need to look beyond end of your nose, in terms of global temperature trends. Show me data from thousands of years, not decades. My feeling is that you will find warming trends and cooling trends which shaped the earth and the species inhabiting it as we know them today.

We may be experiencing a global warming trend now, but it will reverse itself before it eradicates life on the planet. We are bound to kill each other off through violent acts of aggression before any warming trend threatens our existence.

It certainly has not gotten very hot this time around. This optimum is about as mild as the 1600 warming, defiantly not as hot as the 1400 or 1800 ones were. So Alarmisim is so childish when it is so easy for people who can reason to disprove the Alarmisim. You really need to get a brighter teacher because the Columbia trained ones are more politically oriented rather than fact oriented like the ones I studied under.

Climate Doubters are still waiting for viable data showing that Global Warming exists at all.

The surface temperature data which serves as the backbone of the AGW claim is and continues to be corrupt and worthless.

You want some added scientific materials on the current fallacies in AGW modeling.

http://www.john-daly.com/ipcc-co2/ipcc-co2.htm

http://www.biokurs.de/treibhaus/180CO2_supp.htm