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Anonymous asked in Pregnancy & ParentingTeen & Preteen · 1 decade ago

Why do people lie saying things like if somone older dates someone younger they are preditory/only into sex et?

Why do people lie saying things like if somone older dates someone over the age of concent they must be

A) Preditory

B) Only interested in sex

C) Have nothing in common

When thats a total lie.

I have been in mixed aged groups since 16, through 20s and into early 30s. The older ones just looked after the younger ones getting them home safe etc and paid more towards things like cabs.

People hang out together as have similar interests, ie musical, clubbing, like parties, are single, like eac other, find each other fun etc. Maybe common interests like skating, surfing or commonly are work colleges where 16 year old part times work with those in late teens and twenties plus full timers.

Just as you get older does not mean your interests must change and many may date somone younger who is not a boring stiff who doesn't want to come out clubbing anymore getting married and couply like the friends their age they used to hang out with

Some who like each other pair up so what?

Where is the harm? And can guarantee your mid to late teen son or daughter aint little Miss or Mr innocent.

Why assume just as someone is older they have all this sexaul and relationship experience?

Many dont, were shy, crap at chatting up, had strict parents, not so good looking, lacking social skill, may had adahd, asbergers etc

And werent into sleeping around and treating people bad or just unlucky in love.

Often those in late teens have done and been with far more then those even ten years older.

Given the prevalence of current teenage vioelnce where kids are murdering each other over where they live surely if somone is older, more mature, into education, responsible.../

Not a drunk, jukie, dopehead thug or killer.

If someone was not preditory when younger why change when older.

Liking or trying to chat up or charm somone into dating or sleeping with you is not preditory unless someone is like 12 . its called romance and courtship and if nobody did it nobody would get married.

People mature at different rates often based on experience and success with the opposte sex and may have nothign in common with those their age.

Plus somone who is way behind others is not half the looser junkie, crack head, gang member would be killer girlie basher larger lout criminals those the girls age may be

So why do we have such scripted lies.

Why not instead say judge people by who they are and what matters between those who date and form sexaul relationships is how they feel and treat each other.

Plus Going out with somone younger or older may help both grow up a little and if they are not a good match with enough in common well they can split naturally.

Likewise the loosers are those who just get drunk not who travel the world, helping others and exeriencing all they can

Update:

Plus if a case of young teacher say in twenties (no not me see a lot of these in papers) and late teen student... why the big deal? just swap classes not not grading.

If I was the parent I would be thinking... well my mates dated with ages ranges like that both ends and they were cool.

Hes got a good job and clearly cares for others.

He'll encourge her to study and be responsible

Unlike junkie, gang tug, binge drinking mates etc.

Or if patient and doctor...

Well a doctor is always good to have around etc

Update 2:

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Here's another fact. If we allow gay marriage, we will have to allow polygamy, pedophilia. Because it is no longer defined as between a man and a woman, the courts will have to allow these because of equal rights.

Ok this says it all for the mentality of the first poster and backs up my case to the hilt.

Most of these cases are NOT 45 and 13 but more like 17 and 23 or 16 and 14 or 18 and 27 etc.

Same age people go to parties together.

But linking peadophila and being gay is nuts.

Look mate peodophila is bad as people get hurt. Its clearly abusive when somone is way under the age they would be dating like age 8.

Being gay has nothing to do with that as gays are consenting and usually of similar age and not hurting anyone.

If you want to look for abuse start with the catholic church and islam the so called moral guardians.

Relationships should be about those who like each other & 2 gays is far better then a male/female marriage where 1 beats the other

Update 3:

to Dalace

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SO, yes, it's society's disenfranchised that is befriending teens. Super. I really want my children to be hanging out with rejects who can't sustain friendships with people their own age

Actually I would prefer kids of mine to be caring and help out those who struggle to find friends to socialise and improve themselves. The real loosers are the bullies and bitchy types who look for people to lable loosers. As people form relationships they can grow and catch up with others their age.

When you isolate and have people rejected and hurt thats how you end up with people going nuts and wanting to shoot up schools as everyone has been mean to them. its those who are kind to others that stop things like that

Update 4:

To brit mum.

Actually I DO HAVE THE LIFE EXPERIENCE and not a kid so DO KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT.

Ive seen friends date older and younger people and nothing bad come out of it but both benefit.

Ive also seen teenagers way more mature then many in 20s and far more independant.

And that many.

Its often the parents Ive seen like you who are the nieve ones who think their kids are still virgins, who want to play with toys and never do drugs or drink.

Its the teenagers today murdering teengers, preying on them not the older friends.

Plus if somone has been struggling to find dates and dates someone younger then they start maturing so it solves the problem...

Ie beginners need beginners and the longer they wait to get started the harder it is

Update 5:

SORRY about the spelling... rubbish at typing.

In most countires other then the US the age of concent is around 16 NOT 18.

And the notion that a 16 -18 year old is a child is laughable and explains why the US has the western worlds highest teen pregancy rate.

Most other countries acknowledge teenagers are not children, form sexaul relationships (usually with those their own age) and prepare them for it long before teens.

And 12 was given as a general figure to point out the difference between

Those you would see in a typical Porkies/American Pie comedy about teens trying to get laid, drunk and party and those clearly still kids who should not be doing anything.

Update 6:

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Clearing things up as said in much of the world and europe with countires like the Netherland which has pretty much the lowest teen pregancy rates in the western world the age of concent is 16 NOT 18 and those 16- 18 are not considered children.

Nore fully mature adults... and just as 18 or 21 that does not make you fully mature either.

Maturity for the large part is based on experience and the class stud/**** to put it crudly will become sexaully experienced before the class nurd.

Just as someone was shy and did not get many dates so is running behind peers does not automatically make them a peado... Just means they are slower then others.

And that they wont be claiming welfare with ferel kids into gangs when in early 20s but probably have nicer jobs having studied instead of partied.

Thats the point. there is a difference between somone who is being manipualtive and always was and someone who simply was better at say computers then dating

Update 7:

bee

I really find it very difficult to believe you are a fully grown adult and find adult-child relationships okay

1) Acknowelge a difference between child, early teen, mid teen late15-16 and 18-20.

Hence If I use the term child its below 12.

2) I base opinions on life observations and if I have seen 16/17 and 20 somethings date and just as happy as those in 16/17 or 24/15 relationships I not going to say thats bad.

I would say the one where one is getting beat up, cheated on etc is bad.

3) Having seen nearly everyone of mates when I was 16,17,18,19 being sexaully active & happy, discussing relationships maturely in depth and at least two girls flat shareing with mates from around 16, without getting pregnant and these being hard working student types. Plus reading up about Joan of Arc, models and pop stars with careers from 16

The idea they are kids is laughable... dependant on parents yes, innocent & manipulated no. Could beat up guys yes.

Update 8:

4 ) I get my opinions on research and facts such as

SUCCESSFUL SEX ED COUNTRIES STATS AND INFO

http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/publications/fact...

http://www.stats.govt.nz/products-and-services/Art...

http://www.channel4.com/learning/microsites/L/life...

Plus study up on human rights abuses all over the world.

Look to see which countries have the best policies on sex ed, advise others here with information taken from professional sexaul helth agencies and direct people to seek help and ask questions from the likes of

THE SITE

www.thesite.org.uk

Site run by the charity Youth Net, with fact sheets, support and guidance for young adults on sex and relationships

http://www.mariestopes.org.uk/

www.brook.org.uk

& if you want to attack abusers see the likes of the church

http://www.netreach.net/~steed/magdalen.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/538...

Update 9:

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Not a parent. Have a sister would apply all the above to. Have had my freinds who were dating older people and could not wait to meet up.

No hidden agenda

Don't find these things funny

See this in the same framework thinking of people who are gay being abused when not hurting anyone.

Same framework as another post featuring an artical about a girl barred from learning for having dyed her hair blond whilst gang members, bullies etc would be allowed to stay.

or another post on why is it the most abusive relgions on earth are seen as good whilst those who stick up for others not hurting anyone are seen as bad.

Wanting to know why those responsible for the life imprisionment and abuse of 30,000 girls including rape were never prosecuted whilst some 23 year old dating a 17 year old with more sexaul and relationship experience then he has is.

etc

Kinda have a strong notion of fairness

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And people have VERY DELUDED notions about a typical 17

Maybe they should rent out the TV series Skins...

Pretty accurate showing their parties far from having My little poker games looking more like roman orgies with binge drinking, drug scoffing, snogging and sex in the bedrooms and toilets.

Drinking games, strip games, all the virgins rying to get laid.

All the experienced ones boasting about what they did to who and where.

And in a few months supposed to be so independant they can go backpacking around the world with no parents or celebrating whats known as

f**k a fresher week in uni.

ANd those are the nice kids not the ones involved in knife and gun turf wars over crack dealing territory killing anyone from other postcodes who strays into their turf

Not exactly sweetness and manipulatible innocence especailly when ms 17 knows exactly how to work boys to get what she wants

Update 11:

Oh and description of typical teen parties backed up by several cases in the news where the house got trashed

Update 12:

Smiff...

Yes you get some assholes,... but they would have been asholes when teens and going out with somone your age could be an asshole

Just like many would not and not loose interest once got end away and never brag to mates...

Nobody i new who was dated by somone older or dated somone younger was like that... they were like any other couple

Update 13:

to the emro.

Garry Glitter likes kids.

Not party animals into clubbing, club 18-30 debauched party games, going out with big groups of sinlge mates clubbing every friday or sat night, etc etc

which you would know if not so ignorant due to not reading posts properly

Update 14:

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reponse to advocat...

No I never said peadophiles were like gays thats what the first poster said and Im saying no they have nothing in common...

My defininition of a real peoplhile is like the peadophile prests who rape children and have rape videos of babies and abuse teenagers in kids homes or their own kids.

Clearly abusive whislt age gap couples say 15 and 17, or 16 and 21 if both genuinely fancy,care and like each other are not.

And that in many cases the older one far from being manipulated is simply is a case of reallygood at maths but still at the level of a 16 year old with regards dating clearly no abuse.

Unlike what REAL abusers do like daddies who force themsleves on their kids

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but just because things happen doesn't make them right.

What makes something right or wrong is principles of is someone being made to do things they dont like or want?

Is someone pretending to like somone to get what they want not careing about any damage done.

In the cases I describle both parties would be friends if not lovers and would be sexaully active with others their age if could find somone suitable. And teenage behind defined on the basis of biology and development.

Around the world the average age of first sexaul intercause is 17 some below some above but thats the average.

TEENGERS ARE NOT CHILDREN AND THERE IS VARIOUS STAGES OF TEENAGE DEVELOPMENT. Nore full adults and many adults are more like teengers when young

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  • 1 decade ago
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    I think its very stupid people do that. I'm 17 1/2 and my boyfriend just turned 25. Everyone always tells me its so bad and all he wants is sex. We have a wonderful relationship. We have almost all the same interests but we still have our own minds and can debate about something with each other. We don't agree on everything. He's made some pretty bad choices but I love him, people don't understand that. People are hypocritical and stupid. I've learned that and I'm only 17. Or people always tell me I'm only dating him because I have "daddy issues", that makes me angry, I don't like people and their screwed up views. I don't think age matters at all. I really don't...

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    Let me guess - you're not a parent?

    Come back and say this when you are, or at least have acquired a bit of life experience. Somehow, if one day you have a teenage daughter, I can't see you being overly happy about letting a 30+ year old man in her pants.

    Sorry if I missed anything by the way... I skim read this... no way do I have the time to read such a length, misguided rant in detail.

    I'm guessing you're a kid - only a kid could be so naive as to think that teacher-student or doctor-patient relationships are ok. When someone is in a position of authority, they have a duty to remain professional and treat these people in a professional capacity. If a teacher can't resist his older students, then he was never teacher material.

    A HUGE amount of maturing takes place between teens and adulthood. I'm not quite 21 yet and even I realise this, and I also realise I have a long way to go before even I am fully matured, despite the fact that I'm a mother. Whether they're having sex or not is irrelevant. The fact is that someone of an older age is so much more mature and has so much more experience than an impressionable teenager. Now I know just what you're thinking, "I'm as mature as them, I know what I'm talking about". Honey, that's what all teenagers think. You'll grow out of that in a few years time and realise there is a HUGE jump in mentality. There is something not quite right in the head of a fully grown man interested in a teenager, legal or not. I know you won't believe me, but I promise that when you grow up a little bit you'll remember asking this question and feel like a pillock.

    Edit: If you have so much life experience, you'll realise that when you write that amount nobody is actually going to sit and read it all. You are very boring. How old are you? I really find it very difficult to believe you are a fully grown adult and find adult-child relationships okay. All I can say is I hope to God you aren't a parent... but your naivety suggests to me you aren't. *waits eagerly to hear your age and parenting status*

    Edit again - and yet *STILL* you refrain from giving your age and whether or not you are a parent.

    Funny that...

  • 1 decade ago

    i'm not sure if i missed something but from what i can understand of this VERY long question you seem to think that being a paedophile is the same as being gay and that i f gay marriage is allowed then so should child abuse.

    another thing i have to ask you (again sorry if i've missed anything) are you in a relationship like this and are trying to justify why there is nothing wrong with it?

    also, you said that many countries do not consider teenagers as children and that they form relationships with each other (or something like that) but just because things happen doesn't make them right.

    also the law says you can not have a sexual relationship with someone under the age of 18 if you are in a position of trust e.g. doctor,teacher

    but at the end of the day if you find your kids are in a realtionship with someone then you may find that you do have a problem with it after all.

    p.s: don't accuse peope of being ignorant for not reading posts properly when you write somthing as long as this: its alot to read and understand

  • 1 decade ago

    Nobody is saying that all older men are like that. They're just saying to watch out for the ones who are. It can be so easy to get caught up in liking someone and not know what they are actually like. When I was 14, I lost my virginity to a 22 year old. He lost interest in me once we'd had sex, bragged to his mates and stopped being nice to me. This is the same guy that introduced me to house parties and much harder drugs than I was already taking.

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  • 1 decade ago

    pedophiles are stereotyped as middle-aged men with weird mustaches and a beer belly, who like to lure little boys into their house with a model airplane or something.

    technically, a pedophile is a paraphilia that involves an abnormal interest in children (which, in the united states, is legally anyone who is under 18 years old). a paraphilia is disorder that is characterized by recurrent intense sexual urges and sexually arousing fantasies. this, in the united states, in every state, is illegal and can be punishable as a felony offense.

    if these people that you mention are over the age of 18, and have a sexual interest in children, then they are, technically, pedophiles.

    we have rules and laws and things we accept and hold up in our society, and this one especially exists for the greater good. if we let this be acceptable, it would open the door for thirty year olds being interested in twelve year olds, and you admitted that that was wrong.

  • 1 decade ago

    The problem with going out with someone younger is more that the person who is older is (in your case) a person in an authoritative position.

    why is it not predatory unless the person is 12? I see it as if you have a guy in his late 20s looking at girls who are not adults yet, then you have someone who in most cases looking for an innocent child who doesn't know what she is doing.

    as to your question about why a person could be predatory when older rather than younger:

    what he considers attractive could have not changed from when he was younger to when he was older, -- pedophile.

    he could enjoy going against the social norm, or want to get away with more than he could with someone his own age, -- criminal

    he could be wanting someone more likely to be a virgin, or someone more innocent.. there are a number of reasons why a person could be predatory when they get older.

    Source(s): Please use the spell checker... it was kind of hard to read.
  • Hey i totally agree, lol. i'm 16 and my BF is 27 and i always believed that age shouldn't matter when it comes to love, maturity and same interests and stuff that u mentioned means more than age should. I mean u can't always help who u fall in love with, right? You can't stop urself from fallin in love with someone just because they are "too old" for u or "too young" for u, that's just stupid, lol. So glad their is someone out their on YA! who feels the same as me, :D.

  • 1 decade ago

    I have dated a few older men and enjoyed it often you get treated better and get a bit more spoilt then dating someone your own age but however...I think as you get older and wiser you learn about manipulation... older men find it really easy to manipulate younger girls into there way almost like moulding them into who they want them to be.

    my motto is just because you can dont mean you should.

    age gaps in friendships are cool..and good for ya i reckon as long as you have mates your own age too.

  • 1 decade ago

    I'll control myself and not comment on the spelling.

    Instead, I'd like to draw your focus to your statement here:

    "Many dont, were shy, crap at chatting up, had strict parents, not so good looking, lacking social skill, may had adahd, asbergers etc"

    SO, yes, it's society's disenfranchised that is befriending teens. Super. I really want my children to be hanging out with rejects who can't sustain friendships with people their own age (though I knwo several asbergians who don't need to look to the teen population for a social life-not sure why you'd want to drag them into this). ANd yet not.

    Dude. These older folk you speak of ARE losers. People who don't

    suck at life, don't need to find friendship at the schoolyard.

    Source(s): Holy freaking mental nutjob. Dude. Get a life.
  • x S x
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    1 decade ago

    i don't know i'm sick of it i'm 14 and i'm going out with a 19 year old chap and i have been having a lot of grief and his a really nice chap. he hasn't forced me to do anything with him but no one will give him the chance but if they did they would know how lovely he is. hope this helps good luck.

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