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Why do certain radio pundits misinform the public on climate change? Take this example from Lars Larson...?
I was listening to Right Wing Pundit Radio Talk show Host Lars Larson in my car just now.
Why do people like this able to speak about what they don't understand as if they do?
He was going off on a new Associated Press story, and quoted some different parts, like this one...
"Since Clinton's inauguration, summer Arctic sea ice has lost the equivalent of Alaska, California and Texas."
And to that he said "Oh what bunk that is, this is what I'm talking about, you see how they work, they twist things like this, because of course the Arctic loses as much as Alaska, California, and Texas ...in the summer, but it all comes back in the winter... you see"
And then he goes on saying a few other things, making fun of Al Gore trying to talk like him, referring to him as 'Spotted Owl' for some reason, and then he mentions another story, where they mention something about CO2 pollution... and he goes off again... "You see what I mean... CO2 is not a pollutant folks (precedes to exhale heavily in the mic)... that's CO2 folks, not a pollutant... (precedes to make pop sounds with his mouth)... "you know what that was, that was a paint ball gun (as if to reinforce his point)."
Look LARS LARSON (and any of his listeners that fall for his rhetoric)...
First of all, what they mean by the Arctic losing SUMMER ice, is not being compared to Winter Ice (which is HUGE, much more than what we are talking about with the land area of California, Alaska and Texas.)... what they are referring to is Summer ice now, vs. summer ice in 1992. Summer ice now vs. then, now Summer ice, vs winter ice.
I wish so badly I could have been able to correct him on that so he would shut up about it... but he kept going.
The other thing, CO2 not being a pollutant... That' isn't true, anything that is not natural, that we put there, that has undesirable effects, is a pollutant. And CO2 was even classified as such up until Bush himself got caught making the mistake saying it wasn't a pollutant.. and he was proven wrong, but then soon after, went as far as to change the Clean Air Act definitions. But that still doesn't make him, or Lars Larson right.
The simple reason it is a pollutant, is because the EXTRA CO2 that we put in the air from burning fossil fuels (not from exhaling) didn't exist in our present ecology before we put it there, it came from millions of years ago and was locked away for millions of years in the form of rock, gas and oil... which we drill or mine, and the we BURN which creates... CO2... A LOT of CO2. That is why it is called a pollutant.
Aren't these people supposed to be smart, and somewhat responsible for what they talk about, know what they are talking about, etc.?
When are these people going to finally learn? These lies that keep going back around again and again, being spread by the media, never ends, even when something is explained, guys like Sean Hannity, Glen Beck, and Lars Larson go right back to their old habits again.
Below is the story Lars was referring to...
AP Sunday, December 14, 2008
Obama left with little time to curb global warming
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5...
Below, two related stories if in case you're interested...
Obama announces energy and environment team
AP Monday, December 15, 2008
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081215/ap_on_go_pr_wh...
Obama promises leadership on climate change
AP Tuesday, November 18, 2008
Dr Jello, thanks for explaining the 'spotted owl' reference.
As for the other comment, you said Lars Larson was right with his understanding that what the AP story meant about how much summer sea ice has been lost since 1992 is bunk... you're not right about that, because Lars seems to believe this to be bunk because Ice comes back in the winter... it's clearly obvious Lars didn't understand that they meant, 'summer' levels now, vs. 'summer' levels (not winter levels at any point) in 1992... why did you say he was right for that, why do you defend Lars on such an obvious mistake? Even you, being the top Global Warming contributor here (is this blog your job or something?) should know when to correct misinformation, even if it is someone you 'want' to defend.
He was wrong because he thinks summer ice goes away and comes back. He was wrong because Summer Ice has decreased over the last 20 years (probably about the amount said in the AP report), that is a fact.
Dawai, thanks for your response... I do like listening to these guys on some things, but I think they need to stick to politcs only, because they make themselves look pretty stupid sometimes when trying to explain what they think they know about science to their audience.
Bravozulu... it sounds almost like you are admitting he made a mistake, yet you defend him anyway, what's that about?
As for the pollutant thing... look man, don't you understand? If you have TOO MUCH of something, and it is something WE PUT THERE, not from breathing out (like Lars very stupid exhaling example), but by changing the chemical composition of ancient FOSSILIZED carbon, burning it, and converting it into a GAS that evidently, through this process, we've managed to increase CO2 in our atmosphere by an incredible amount (considering we could have any affect on levels of this gas in our atmosphere to begin with).
CO2 on it's own is NOT a pollutant, but CO2 FROM burning fossil fuels IS!
Those fossil fuels would be safely buried, deep in the ground, as carbon deposits, otherwise. And they would have remained there for hundreds of millions of years. But we humans think it is a great idea to make as much of the gas as we can (and burn trees that breath it to boot)!
8 Answers
- Anonymous1 decade agoFavorite Answer
Listen to the liberals spewing hate. Where's the love?
Why don't you just wait for two years. If the sunspots stay where they are now, (at zero) and we get warmer temperatures, most of the skeptics will admit that they were wrong.
But we know that if the spots stay at zero it's going to get colder, dont' we?
Zero spots on December 16, 2008. http://spaceweather.com/
Oh, and Dawei, you know that if you ever listened to Limbaugh, that liberals go to the front of the line. (they have to actually be able to put a sentence together and not sputter the whole time, however.)
- MTRstudentLv 61 decade ago
imacdl: what are you on about?
The theory of ozone breakdown states that it is free radicals reaching the upper atmosphere that's a problem. Mother Nature doesn't provide many of those herself, so we had to use CFCs to get some up there (since they are difficult to break down, they can reach the upper atmosphere before breaking down and releasing free radicals)
If you've got confused between ozone depletion and global warming; then you're right in saying that 'mother nature', from decaying plant matter etc releases far more greenhouse gases than humans. However, most of this is naturally absorbed.
If nature gives out 201bn tonnes and absorbs 200bn tonnes a year, then after 100 years the amount in the atmosphere would change by 100bn tonnes.
If nature gives out 201bn tonnes and humans give out 6bn tonnes, and nature absorbs 200bn tonnes still, then after 100 years the amount in the atmosphere would change by 700bn tonnes.
Some people on here would argue that humans therefore only contribute ~3% to greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. When in reality, something like 85% of the change could be due to humans.
- 1 decade ago
These sort of shows survive on ratings not facts, he would have known the full story on the difference between summer and winter loses, and just left it out.
I used to work for a radio station and most of these sort of shows use a lot of fake callers to make sure the debate goes in the direction they want them to. talk back radio is like saying wresting is a sport that isn't fixed, yeah sure.
- jeff mLv 61 decade ago
When the ice was melting quickly last spring, it was touted as proof of global warming. now that it's refreezing at an exceptional rate, do you hear any media (other than the right) even mentioning it? Does that indicate a media bias, and suggest that it's a good idea to get your news from diverse sources?
Like wise, if you want to get a balanced view of the global warming debate, you need to research it yourself, using sources from both sides. I think you'll find that there is a lot of reasons to be suspicious about what the AGW proponents are selling.
Check out "the great global warming swindle". You don't have to be a scientist to recognize a scam.
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- craig.winter41Lv 61 decade ago
You yourself listen to rhetoric. Why do you have a problem if this man does? Just because you don't believe his opinion, Does that mean your opinions are correct? By the way, AL GORE IS BACKTRACKING ON SOME OF HIS PREVIOUS BELIEFS! He now says, "Maybe global warming isn't as severe as I would like to believe". Scientists aren't Gods. They aren't infallible and can often be disproved. Quit being so BIASED and CLOSE-MINDED!!! Quit believing everything you read, see, and hear! I will personally give $1,000,000 to anyone who can prove or disprove global warming!!!!! By the way, Are you a LIBERAL? Liberals always seem to think everyone has to take what they say as the truth, or as fact. I feel sorry for you that you get so worked up by what these people are saying. Why do you care? Are they harming anyone? If you had any common sense you would stop picking who you think is right and vilifying who you don't agree with. EVERY CHEMICAL WE CREATE DIDN'T JUST APPEAR, IT CAME FROM THE EARTH. WE DIDN'T HAVE SOME POLLUTANT SHIPPED FROM MARS BY A REPUBLICAN, JUST TO BE ABLE TO KILL PEOPLE! HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW LIES ARE COMING OUT FROM THESE PEOPLES MOUTHS! I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT YOU, AND OTHERS LIKE YOU, ARE THE REALLY DANGEROUS ONES!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU ARE WILLING TO TRY JUST ABOUT ANYTHING TO GET PEOPLE TO BELIEVE, THINK, AND ACT LIKE YOU!!! IF YOU WEREN'T, SHUT THE HELL UP AND STOP LISTENING TO THOSE YOU HATE!!!!! LET OTHERS LISTEN TO WHOMEVER THEY CHOOSE!!!!!! QUIT TRYING TO CONVINCE PEOPLE WITH FACTS AND FIGURES THAT AREN'T EVEN YOURS!!!!
- Dr JelloLv 71 decade ago
The 'Spotted Owl' reference was the scare in the 1980's. It was the poster child of the environmentalist to save the old growth forest. When was the last time you heard about the spotted owl?
The Arctic ice is now at 97% normal levels. It's predicted to exceed normal levels this year, so yes he's right.
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images//daily_i...
Antarctic has gained ice mass every year it was measured, gaining just under 1% a year for the last 30 years. The ice mass is 107% of normal levels.
- 1 decade ago
UM its simple
most of the damage to the ozone 97% is done by mother earth herself - dying decaying rotting matter and the gasses they emit. clean out your head gear and look it up
- DavidLv 71 decade ago
Larson, Limbaugh, Savage, Beck (Oh I hate Beck)...you can't let those guys get to you. They're meant to entertain, they're there because of a demand of the ignorant conservatives who listen to them.
The people who listen to them will never, ever, ever change their minds about anything. That is the nature of an extreme conservative, a resistance to change, and it is reflected in everything else they're famous for believing in (anti immigration, anti gay marriage, etc.) They all live by the mantra "don't confuse me with facts, my mind is made up!"
Trust me, it's not worth getting upset over them, they don't mean anything. They screen their calls so they absolutely NEVER get an opposing viewpoint; all they do is spoonfeed the opinions that everyone who listens to them already has. For this reason it's not meant to be educational, and for THAT reason you shouldn't worry that it's misinformation. It's not meant to be informative--it's just telling people what they want to hear and making money off of a disproportionately high volume of commercials.
I wouldn't be surprised if the hosts themselves in fact didn't believe half of what they spewed daily on their "news" shows...
Source(s): Yes Jello. And in September it was at 60% normal levels. http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20080916_...