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MBC
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MBC asked in TravelAfrica & Middle EastIsrael · 1 decade ago

Your comments on this article by Prof. Avi Shlaim on the Gaza War?

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EDIT: Forgive me Trick my Trick. The rephrased version reads thusly: WHAT ARE your comments on this article by Prof. Avi Shlaim on the Gaza War?

(Some people really need their hands held to get through these things! :P) :)))))))

Update 2:

Esc: "We do not terrorize our opponents with a culture of murder and death. "

Care to juxtapose these comments with the bombings of civilian targets like the two UN schools? Do you seriously imagine that the population of Gaza isn't being terrorized daily by murder and death? Is it only murder when the other side does it?

Update 3:

Kismet- I appreciate your input. I would certainly have to question your statement that "all Palestinians in Gaza bear some responsibility" here. Certainly not everyone in Gaza voted, nor did they all vote for Hamas. Furthermore, 300 CHILDREN who do NOT vote have been killed and an astounding 1,400 others have been injured to date in just 19 days. (Source: BBC World News-today's broadcast) To me, that does not speak of doing the utmost to limit civilian casualties.

Further, to imagine allowing Hamas to shoot rockets from one's land is a widespread phenomena among Palestinians must be stretching. How many locations would they need, after all? And to suppose that the population of Gaza would be able to spontaneously be able to rise against the force of Hamas and say stop shooting rockets is naive.

Update 4:

Even under the best of circumstances in well-established and peaceful democracies such as ours the population cannot effect this kind of change (ie Iraq and Vietnam, to name two recent examples). And you expect people under THOSE circumstances to be able to do so? Indeed, even to WANT to do so, when they have suffered so much at the hands of Israel?

Since WWII the world has thankfully progressed somewhat in its conduct of warfare. It is no longer acceptable, for example, to carpet bomb, as occurred in that war. Civilians now have specific protections agreed on by the world. And so it is no longer acceptable to hold civilians to account for the reprehensible actions of their leaders.

Lastly, what do you imagine would happen to anyone who would organize a campaign against the rocket attacks such as you speak of?

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And even if the mass of the population were to rally in the streets in support of such an idea, do you imagine this would stop the Hamas members from launching the attacks in any case? I think we sometimes forget where we are living and where others are living if we imagine things are as simple as you portray.

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  • 1 decade ago
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    even a veteran soldier admitted that it was an invasion of Palestine starting 1948:

    "The aim was to establish Greater Israel through permanent political, economic and military control over the Palestinian territories. And the result has been one of the most prolonged and brutal military occupations of modern times."

  • 1 decade ago

    Thank you very much for adding this article in YA, this testimony is enough for the establishment of a lawsuit against this fascist vindictive entity, really shame on this world, which claims the freedom and democracy meanwhile he is watching these crimes and stay silent.

    MBC, look to what kismet is saying "ALL Palestinians in Gaza bear some responsibility for their current predicament" see, who is the criminal now!! The 300 children killed are the responsible for this problem, the victim becomes the killer, I can't understand kismet's logic,

    And what you want Kismat? You want the Palestinians to elect the government that Israel likes?? Did they teach you this in the Israeli schools that democracy is what Israel decides??

    And do you know the basic definition of terrorism; it is targeting civilians in order to achieve political aims, tell me now who is the terrorist, Israel is the one who is targeting the hospitals and the schools and the children in order to make the Palestinians not to think any more of the resistance, right!!!

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    Okay according to your logic all Israelis should be held to account, and you are also accepting to be part of this crime against the humanity, and you are ready to pay the price of the 300 innocent children killed in Gaza, and the sixteen Masjed, and the 200 women.

    by the way, your answer shows that you didn't read the article. Right!!!

  • A former Israeli soldier who changed his mind about his government and his country and is free to express his view in a free country like Britain. If he were living in Israel, he would be able to do just the same.

    How many times have I read some toxic excuse for journalism written by a bleeding-heart Western liberal vilifying Israel as a racist apartheid Nazi imperialist illegal entity that should be wiped off the map, and ending with "The author xxx is reporting from xxx, Israel."

    I'm a Middle Easterner who at one time was a deeply religious Muslim who hated Jews and Israel. I too, have changed my mind completely. But I do not have the freedom to express it.

    We do not terrorize our opponents with a culture of murder and death. That is a Muslim tradition. Nine out of ten Muslims here would still kill Salman Rushdie if they were alone in a room with him and a gun.

    Edit--two Palestinian residents reported that they had seen Hamas militants firing from that area. They remained anonymous because of fear for their lives. The IDF was probably telling the truth.

    I have said before that all parties involved with the UN school bombing on both sides should be investigated and then appropriate action taken.

    I have contributed a great deal of money to the Gaza medical services.

    In any case, I'm not getting any news of Israel critics turning up dead or going into hiding for their survival. Look up Salman Rushdie, Theo van Gogh, Hitoshi Igarashi, the Dutch cartoonists or the MP Geet Wilders, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Taslima Nasrin, Wafa Sultan, etc.

  • kismet
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    1 decade ago

    It is tragic that many Palestinians who are not directly involved in terrorism are suffering as a result of the actions of their leaders. While no one wants to see any noncombatants harmed, it is important to acknowledge that all Palestinians in Gaza bear some responsibility for their current predicament. After all, they voted to empower Hamas in an election in which they knew the organization's platform called for the destruction of Israel and the use of terrorism to achieve its aims.

    The Palestinians in Gaza have done nothing during the last three years to stop Hamas from launching rockets into Israel. At any time the people could have said, "Enough! We do not support terror." Instead of allowing rocket crews to fire Qassams from their houses, yards, or neighborhoods, the people could have said, "Stop! I will not allow you to make us a target. I will now allow you to use my family as a shield."

    For the last three years, the Palestinians of Gaza have said, in effect, "We don't mind if Israelis are murdered by Hamas rockets, but the world should support us."

    During World War II, the German people were not spared suffering from the Allied invasion because they were noncombatants or because some could claim they were not Nazis and did not support Hitler. All the German people were held to account for their failure to stop their leaders from carrying out their aggression and genocidal policies.

    The Palestinians now are also being held to account. What is different, however, is that unlike the Allies in World War II, Israel is doing everything possible to avoid hurting Palestinian noncombatants despite their culpability. Even now the Palestinians have the power to stop the war by demanding that Hamas cease firing rockets. Alas, they refuse to take the one step within their power to ease their suffering.

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  • 1 decade ago

    He is a far leftist who has deserted his country. He is a post-Zionist who rejects the founding principles of his country.

    Someone once sid that just because a person has the title of professor, that is no guarantee that he is smart.

    In any event, I wholly reject his viewpoint. He would bring about the destruction of Israel, under Auschwitz borders.

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  • ?
    Lv 6
    1 decade ago

    A soldier who betrays his country in wartime is subject to the death penalty.

    That's what I think.

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