Christians (and others) Will You Stand Up and Admit the Reality of Evolution?

Many will do anything 2 keep God out of the picture. Evolution is a theory not fact (2 many holes). The crux of the problem 4 many is man (having limited knowledge) tries 2 understand who God is by imposing human limitations 4 understand things 2 God's abilities. Several issues:

Many scientific finds r true but it doesnt mean "all" their claims r true (many dont take time & energy 2 carefully think thru things b4 coming out 4 or against it). Many dont properly take in2 account all it takes 2 create a universe/life (they tend 2 focus on things "seeming" 2 support what they want 2 &/or u 2 believe).

In science we established laws of physics. We can't see actual laws of physics. Rather, we see the results & interpret & apply them in accordance with whats been observed 2 b true thru experiments/calculations. Same is true regarding God. Just b/c we can't see God doesn't mean He doesnt exist.

There may b forensic evidence 4 some micro-adaptation & 4 some "appearance" of macro-evolution but most is inconclusive @ best & pure conjecture @ worst. Finding the beginning & reason 4 it all is unattainable by scientific method alone (a billions of years old cold case). We didnt see it take place.

But things in creation show an Intelligent Being was involved or the universe & we wouldnt b here (ignoring where it came from). Standing out r:

1. We have 2 lungs & 2 kidneys - each has a near perfect mirror-image companion organ. No matter how u try 2 explain it away, making a mirror-image organ takes full reverse engineering, knowledge & understanding of its companion's functions & purpose or it cant be created.

2. Our bodies r highly symmetrical from 1 side 2 the other. Its impossible unless 1 has an outside overview position allowing full comprehension of the entire organism (i.e. feather color patterns).

3. We have 2 arms & 2 legs. Each is perfectly designed & precisely engineered 2 work with its mirror-image companion. An outside position is required 2 fully comprehend the whole organism & purpose 4 all parts, 2 create it 2 such perfection.

4. The "being" of a cell is confined 2 within the cell membrane & cant know or b aware of much beyond itself. A cell is magnitudes more intelligent than all humanity & has amazing powers 2 know all of an organism's functions & purpose or it isnt the "brain" behind creation 4 many millions of incredibly diverse species. If evolution had a chance of being the source of creation it would require there only be 2 or 3 "kinds" of different bodies with several related species (it would take many billions of trillions of light years longer than the universe has existed 2 have the slightest chance of producing many millions of species of such incredible diversity).

5. Many cells of an organism never contact others much beyond its tiny cell. Mostly, cells & organisms r just copies of their parents doing about the same things as all ancestors. U wont find a bird whom builds a better nest than their parents & their chicks build even a better nest. U wont find a bear improving his living conditions (or passing them 2 his young). Either a cell has 2 lives - 1 copying their parents & 1 secret life working on improvements or someone of greater intelligence than all mankind created everything.

6. Others point 2 DNA (or RNA in the 1rst organisms). But a cell needs DNA 2 function & DNA cant function without a cell. So, we have a which came 1rst a cell or DNA problem. Without 1rst having great intelligence, full knowledge & understanding of how an organism is constructed it cant be created. If an ape finds a combination lock he wouldnt know what it was & even if he turns the dial over & over again he wouldnt know what he was doing & the chances against getting it right is astronimical - especially if it had 150 or more no. 2 find in the right order & even if he got that far he still wouldnt know what a lock is 4.

A cell has little "inteligence" & DNA is much more complex than a combination lock (especially in higher life forms) so the odds against figuring out & using DNA (in the correct sequence) is many magnitudes higher than 4 a lock). RNA/DNA r building blocks common to all life - having 98% of other species' DNA doesnt prove evolution. DNA like a computer code (but more complex) requires great intelligence 2 identify & assign its proper order - its useless unless u understand it. Give a book to an ape. Its useless to him as he cant learn from whats written - intelligence is required.

7. In the fossil record we dont find millions of trial & error organisms that should exist if natural selection or fittest survivor is the source of creation (no organisms existed be4). The odds r so great against near perfection happenning 4 many millions of greatly diverse species, it couldnt take place unless 1 had full knowledge & understanding of what theyre doing BEFORE millions of organisms could be created 2 such precision. If not true millions of misfit organisms with mistakes, having only 1 or 3 eyes in odd places, 1 leg growing out of a head or where an arm should be or a fin where a leg should be should exist. Millions more misfit fossils should exist than of the perfection found in nature.

8. U won't find species like a horse mating a goat, a frog mating fish, a rabbit mating an otter, a lizzard mating a bird, a cow mating a hog, etc. Species with similar genes/characteristics rarely mate in the wild. Only a few succeed @ bearing young. Its very rare that a wild crossbreed/hybrid reaches maturity or can bear over 1 litter (usually that litter cant produce or has complications that kills off the crossbreed). Only human intervention brings more success but even that has lead 2 some bad results.

9. Evolution processes being "the" source of all creation would be like having a blind man build a car he's never heard of, seen, touched, heard or rode in. It cant be done without 1rst teaching him about the functions, necessary parts & how 2 put it all together so the car will function.

10. Look @ the huge amount of intelligence, knowledge, understanding, time & energy used 2 create & improve an airplane's capabilities (& many mistakes). If people didnt fully learn what 2 do we'd still be earthbound.

11. Creation is astronomically more complex than an airplane. The more complex an organism, the greater the amount of intelligence, knowledge & understanding needed 2 create it. It can only be done by an Intelligent Designer who already fully understands what He's doing - the sheer complexity of man is evidence of God (airplanes show we're created in God's image - God had 2 be the source of all creation or it couldnt exist let alone evolve).

12. An incredibly Intelligent Being, capable of building a universe, would know the environment His earthly organisms are 2 occupy. So, He built in adaptability so His organisms could survive various earthly environments.

13. Earth happens to be in the best possible orbit 2 support life. It has the right amount of gravity, the right axis & rotation speed, the right atmosphere (& ozone layer) & needed amount of water. The moon's the right size & in the right orbit 2 provide tidal cycles needed by organisms. Just 1 or 2 relatively small variants in our orbit/envirnment & most likely life would be very different & higher forms of life wouldve died off in a relatively short time, if they couldve survived.

Yes, theres many religions, built on what man wants God 2 be like. I realized they cant all be right (Theres 1 Bible - why so many interpretations & fatal errors? II Pet 1:**19-21). Religion wont teach u much about God (they cant teach what they don't know) but God knows what He's doing.

Many miss this: Jesus is the only 1 in history whom stated He's "the" way, "the" truth & "the" life & no 1 gets 2 God w/o Him (Jn 14:6; 5:39; 10:1,7; Acts 4:12) & is the only 1 whom came from God. Its fully true or theres no truth & cant be any God (He knows what He's doing or He's not God).

Since Jesus is the only way 2 know God, "the" whole truth was complete & finished thru Jesus. So any claimed new or other religious beliefs or from self-proclaimed prophets & teachers r null & void & wont lead u 2 God. God always knew all Jesus was 2 do.

Whoever seeks Jesus with all his heart & soul will find our real God & His Kingdom (u will know the truth & it will set u free). But, why should God want u 2 live with Him forever if u dont want 2 know Him (reason 4 free will - Jn 1:12-13)? The truth of God remains forever unchanged while things of a man dies with him, including his religions/gods made in his image. Theres eternal hope only in Jesus Christ.

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Can you take a fresh look at your own article? According to you religion is irrellevant. You assume that evolution has occurred over billions of years because "we" have been investigating it. Have you ever dated any fossils yourself?

Those who don't agree with you are uneducated and/or blinded by dogma. Talk about arrogant!

Have you studied anything about Galileo? Did you know that most of his opposition came not from the Catholic Church, but from university proffessors. Back then, geocentricism was the paradigm of the day.

If evolution is Truth, then there should be no mistakes, no lies. If you think that is true, then you are the uneducated one that is blinded by dogma.

Personally I have never really understood the conflict between science and religion. But then I always looked at the two this way.

Religion/The Bible tells us WHAT God did and is doing, while with science we try, with our very limited (yet expanding) knowledge, to figure out HOW Our Creator did everything.

To me there really is not a problem, until we get the whackos on both sides trying to make everything follow their narrow minded and sometimes bias/perverted view of the world around us.

As for evolution, all life changing and adapting from generation to generation that is a fact I do not think anyone debates.

As for a single common ancestor, that’s actually being somewhat debated. Since life sprang up all across the planet at about the same time, the suggestion that has been going around for several years now is that (this will be over simplified) in the yearly years of earth since conditions were probably similar across the planet. Multiple pools could have existed which created the first RNA strands in each of the pools, being that conditions were similar only RNA of a particular type and length could survive in the various pools. Thus creating nearly identical RNA strands to start life around the planet.

Regardless, if it was one pool or multiple, that is not really important. What is interesting, to me anyway, is that both science and The Bible say that all life came forth from the ground. The Bible and Science also agree that humans were the last major species to end up on the planet. (The Bible of course being written a good many years before science came up with the same ideas)

Where the debate comes in is HOW it was done. Some people are content to just say “yep, God got us here and that’s all that matters”. (Much the same as most people really don’t care exactly how the all the “minor miracles” work or even what all is involved to get the information you are reading from my location to your screen.) However, God also made some of us more curious and we want to try to figure out exactly how He made life on this planet not to mention all the material. However, with our limited knowledge we will probably never really know for sure with 100% certainty.

Unfortunately, all the Ideas that have been suggested over the years by science have had holes in them. Of course we are constantly modifying the ideas as we learn more. (there is of course nothing wrong with modifying ideas as we learn more it is only wrong to stick with an idea and be unwilling to even consider other view points out of stubbornness.)

This brings us to a nasty thing called spontaneous generation. Spontaneous generation is of course the idea that life comes from inorganic, non-living or dead material (inanimate matter). This was proven false by Louis Pasteur in the 19 th century. And is still a testable and provable scientific fact that it simply does not happen. Yet spontaneous generation is exactly how science says all life began. However, not to make it obvious, instead of calling it spontaneous generation we use a different term call Abiogenesis. (The definition for abiogenesis is is the study of how life began from inanimate matter.)

Am I the only one that, scientifically, sees a huge flaw the logic of how science would like us to believe all life began?

Exactly how all life began or the origin of everything is the ultimate science, philosophical and religious question. And will likely be debated until the end of time. For, like it or not, no one has all the facts as to how everything started. Not science nor any mortal on this planet. Just as what was taught as fact regarding the origins of life many years ago when I was in school have changed significantly compared to what is taught today. I suspect as we learn and discover more many of the things currently taught to be fact today in a few years will be proven false and new ideas will take their place. Especially in areas like how everything began, where there is very likely much more information that has not yet been discovered than we can even begin to imagine. (Looking only at the new things that have been discovered/learned and modified since I finished college back in the early 80’s is mind-boggling)

Just as animals change, adapt and evolve so does our scientific knowledge. So if I might make one suggestion to you, don’t get to comfortable with the “reality” of anything on this earth for “in the blink of an eye” it will likely change.

May Our Creator watch over you and your family.

First of all, I am a Christian. Secondly, evolution is not in conflict with the faith as long as the theory of evolution doesn't dismiss a creator. As a matter of fact - it doesn't.

You are right, evolution describes the expansion of the universe and the changes of living things on earth. The bible doesn't discuss evolution-but it doesn't mean it's not Truth. Regardless of how hard scientists and students have worked to understand the concept of evolution and to get evidence, Human, for example, regardless of changes is still Human.

Genesis said that God made all livings things. How is that in conflict with science?

Edit:Who said that evolution is the source of creation? Do you know what implies? Did orange juice come before the orange?

I do believe that the theory of evolution is validated by scientific evidence.

However, I am much more interested in proclaiming the Truth of the gospel. God is our creator (He used evolution), and to redeem us from our sinful state He sent Jesus, His only Son, so that through His death and resurrection we could be reconciled to God and have our sins erased. That is a far, far more important truth, and if I were to get up on a soapbox that's what I'd use my breath for.

One of the truly astonishing aspects of the 'debate' regarding evolution is the longevity of the theory itself, by comparison to other theories which (one would hope and trust) the Christians do accept as being well proven.

By the time evolution had gathered sufficient scientific credentials to be 'accepted' it is truly sobering to consider what *hadn't* been.

In 1901, Einstein was working on the then 'novel' and unaccepted idea that matter was formed of atoms. At the time, the entirely erroneous Newtonian idea of 'force at a distance' had yet to be replaced (again, thanks to Einstein primarily) by the 'field theory'. Electromagnetism had yet to be formulated; the photon postulated and proved by quantum physics - itself yet to be thought of, let alone demonstrated - and then subsequently replaced by yet another field theory.

The Michelson-Morley experiment was still considered a failure for not having discovered the aether; the constant nature of the speed of light was beginning to gain currency; and the theories of relativity, curved space and so forth still lay a long way in the future. And finally, the complete periodic table had yet to be written in!

Consider, this means that - of all the scientific ideas bar thermodynamics - evolution has had the *most* number of scientist man years spent on trying to find holes in it and to disprove it/replace it.

In the this light, a few religious fundamentalists poking fun it seems small fry in comparison, no?

Because science has limitations. It doesn't know everything, it tries to explain things through hypothesis. It explains but then it contradicts itself and covers it up with further hypothesis and other loopholes in its arguments. For eg Where did water come from? Everyone has a different explanation but does anyone really know for sure? Unless science can disprove God and has ALL the answers without fail about our universe (no hunches and no assumptions but pure fact). And unless science can create something from nothing, there will be people who will always turn to God for answers. This is fact no matter how angry you get about it.

you should sit down and admit that evolution is a theory. of course there is something interesting going on in the fossil record; there is something there that is certainly worth considering, but we are far from truly understanding it. as soon as you presume to say it's a reality that's not open for debate then your science sucks. I'm guessing that you neither read books on science or the Bible; you should read either or both, then your criticism will have some foundation.

There is no truth in evolution. And it is only a theory; a false one at that.

ya know..

a while ago i asked an evolutionist a question about a woodpecker.

i asked how the woodpecker would 'evolve' a tissue around its brain so when it hit the tree it didn't bash its own brains around, according to evolution, it doesn't make any sense, i wont go into the details

he thought for a sec.

then gave me an answer, and ill be honest, it seemed logical.

but the thing is

he made it up on the spot

he did no Research, he had no evidence to back up his theory.

he just thought it up on the spot because it seemed like the most logical answer.

but it doesnt change the fact that he made it up on the spot.

Thankfully, a lot of Christians/Catholics and theists in general around the globe accept evolution. The senseless rejection of it is mostly in the U.S.