Something that might challenge even the atheists among us?

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There is no mention of Babylon gaining independence. "When seventy years are completed" is pretty vague. Also, Babylon existed in the past and is an abandoned site now. It was an ancient city. Iraq on the other hand, is a country with multiple cities. The attack on Iraq started with George Bush senior in the 1980s, not 2003. This is because Sadam Husein turned against the American administration. NATO was not involved. The 2001 attack (not 2003) on Iraq didn't have all NATO members but it did include some non-NATO members. Other than that, the most important fact to mention is that this war was about getting petrol.

Overall, it is important to see a prophecy for what it is : a very vague description that lacks important details.

Let's not forget the prophecies that don't come true at all. Ask a jew why they don't accept Jesus as their messiah.

I don't think you have actually read Jeremiah, if you think that passage has anything to do with "the end of days." It is a statement to the Jews that were taken into exile in Babylon. It promised them that after 70 years in exile, Yahweh would return them to their homes in Judah. That happened in 537 BC, not AD 2003. The "alliance of the nations of the north" was the Medo-Persian empire under Cyrus the Great. Tell me, even if your 70 years referred to the founding of Iraq, how did the invasion in 2003 have anything to do with Israel "returning" anywhere? And no, Amir Taheri is not a reliable source. No matter which magazine published his commentary. ------------------- "skeptik - This talks about the predictions regarding the end of days just as the end of days in the new testament refers often to the fall of Rome, but infact adherets to the future. Furthermore, as Babylon didn't fall after its 70th year, this prophecy was found not to be refering to the fall of Babylon in 537 BCE." So, because the return from exile didn't happen at the exact time it was prophesied, the preophecy is actually referring to the end of the world? You sure you're really an atheist? 'Cause that sounds suspiciously like a Christian Fundamentalist. Besides which, that passage makes no reference whatsoever to Babylon's "destruction," just to a return home for Israel. So, what about my question to you? How did Israel "return home" in 2003?

These prophecies, like the various religious excerpts quoted, are andocentric. The world will not end just because the human species ceases to exist, and every other species will breathe a huge sigh of relief. Anyway, we know the world is going to end in about 4 billion years when it is swallowed up by the sun.

In the meantime, no panic about 2012. Let's get together and build an ark or something.

Have you read it in a Jewish Tanach?

Fiona on here asked this many months ago, & the 70 years turned out to be a miss reading. It means only that 70 years after Babaloyn the exile would end. I don't remember the details, so I'll star this & hope the same person who had them finds it again. It's in my "answers list.", but YA doesn't provide practical tools for finding anything in those lists.

In the Tanach, there is no prediction of violence at the end times. There isn't even an end times predication. A lot of those predictions depend on changing around & splitting some of the Tanach chapters in the OT.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/6325...

http://www.hareidi.org/bible/

For one thing, there's a comma in the text that changes the meaning.

Athiest? Not I. I am more Orthodox than most. Where you been nu? Busy eh, me too. I can't argue any of your statements and only have more beliefs to support them. I am b'nei anusim sephardita that was redeemed and we have the majority of the latin american countries on our side despite what the Pope and Chavez says. I spit in the face of anyone that thinks there is going to be another Inquisition or Holocaust. Our weapon is our spirituality and it always has been.

I still insist upon Chabad version where the Moshiach comes when the world is inherently good or inherently bad and that we always strive for the good. All we as Jews need to do is to just hang in there. I watch the world tip in one direction or the other, it's quite fascinating actually. The latin americans made up for the european shortfalls.

Just go to the Synagogue and do Kosher and Shabbat to keep your spirit clean. It always cracks me up to suggest that anyone living in Israel is atheist you are observant just not as observant as some the flag is your prayer shawl another atheist made sure of it. You have your mitzvah to perform that you are good at, find it and perform it. So far, it's been pretty evident to me though that you already found it. We aren't required to perfect the world only to not cease from trying.

As far as the Mahdi Army, those terrorist do not scare me. Achmedinijad couldn't get his prophecy off the ground while Israel was in Gaza. They'll try it again though to create palestinian victims to inflame the rest of the muslims thus recruiting his army. Israel, with G-d's hand, has won every war that she decided to fight. Right now Israel doesn't have a leader to lead the fight as Olmert is just too wimpy. I like Netanyahu and Lieberman.

No, I don't have any long term plans.

Edit: Achmedinijad next moves are to smuggle in longer range rockets to hit Tel Aviv or to blow up the fuel line. The Egyptian tunnel for fuel. Do we trust the Egyptian leadership and Army so much that they aren't going to let that happen on their side? They need to bury the tunnel on Gaza side.

If it's from a book with a biased opinion i can't believe in it. Otherwise i'd be a hypocrite to the other religions i've personally rejected.

I don't believe the Torah, the Bible or the Qu'ran to be factual sources of information. So as an atheist i can say that the information you've provided, in my opinion, has not led me to question my decision. Even if the text was from a piece i could consider as factual it still would not convince me.

I'm not mocking your question, merely answering it by saying it does not give me something to think about.

Hm that's really interesting.......

geez I hope the world isn't ending, I had such big plans and everything...

What about nostradamus's thing about "Mabu" the guy that will destroy the world or something? O BA MA.....okay so that's Maba not mabu but still lol. Although I doubt Obama will destroy the world. I think he's just human though, not a warrior.

Nah.

Small details: Iraq is still a country. It was invaded from the South.

Hussein is a common name. I will pay some attention to the "hidden meanings" of Obama's name when I see them confirmed by someone who speaks Arabic or Persian.

During the build-up to the invasion of Iraq, one of the men who had close access to GWB was John Ashcroft, then U.S. Attorney General and pentacostal preacher, someone who reputedly anointed himself with cooking oil (as in the manner of Biblical kings :-) before each of his terms as governor.

That's the kind of White House we had.

So you probably need to discount those events on your list. They weren't coincidences, more like people with a seriously warped conflict of interest having way too much power. :-)

utter rubbish. can't believe it. you want start stock piling supplies, go for & have fun. were you sure the world was going to end in 2000? that was rubbish, too.

as far as the mayans are concerned, they were recording the precession of the earth's axis, not predicting the end of the world.

for the person who mentioned that millions will die because of the polar shift. the change is gradual, not sudden. though we are due for a flip, no one knows when it will happen.