When are men going to get the 'equal' rights that women do?

First I'm not a feminist and I agree with the last comment that some of the list mentioned aren't rights at least not under the equal rights amendment.

Paying for dates. I'm sorry but unless a woman asks the guy out the gentleman should pay for the date at least in the begining. Most women are more than willing to pay after first few dates or until the reaionship is established. Plus the woman can return the courtesy by inviting him home for home cooked dinner. This has nothing to do with equal rights just courtesy and old fashioned chivalry.

Mind games manipulating men. Both genders are capable of manipulating each other. What about all the players and cheaters and bad boys. what does this have to do with equal rights?

I don't think the world has out for women but I can't deny a lot of sexism racism that out in the world more commonly against women and minorties it's been that way for centuries. Of course there are disadvantages for men as well. Some men seem to think the world is out to get them too.

I don't care for too much political correctness myself but I'm aware some sexist jokes are too offensive plus I could say the same about men who always complain about male bashing when they same about women themselves. Both genders can be hypocritcal in this area.

men having no emotions. Interesting because men complain that woman expect them to be emotional like them and try to prove how tough they are. I heard men say emotions are for sissies. Women do tend to be more emotional than men but I also believe men tend to be more logical or more tough. We are different any many ways as should be.

Affirmative Action was meant to ensure minorities and women and handicapped people in jobs that they are qualitied for but not at the expense at more qualitied white males. I agree that sometimes it has been missued and hate it when that happens. I think men should get any job that want but I have heard men be the ones to claim nursing is women's work I think a feminist would support I man so why is feminism being blamed for men mocked for going into this fields. Also maybe men are even less interested in women dominated fields than women are in male dominated fields.

Not all feminist are man haters like Valerie Solerno besides I think both genders should cease hate speech about the other.

Men staying home Its the conservative patriarch society that condemns men who want these not feminists. In fact some over zealous feminists will say homemaker role is demeaning to women which I don't agree. If a man is more suited in that role and the woman wants to work fine. But I believe women are more commonly suited for the homemaker role. Plus there are still many biases towards mothers who work.

Stop hitting men argument. I agree nobody has the right to anybody without being prepared they might get hit back or arrested but I strongly don't condone a male to hit a female regardless men are commonly naturally stronger and do more damage plus he could use his superior strength to restrain a woman where a woman would more likely have to grab a weapon against a man twice her size. Plus the fact I still value chivalry. I'm aware that men get abused too and have the same legal right to report their abusers to the police and get out of that kind of relationship. Domestic violence on either side is wrong.

Sexism card. That all depends if the woman has reasons to believe she was discrimanated against then she has the right to complain. I'm not going to ignore that fact job discrimination still doesn't go on against women or minorites but I am aware that a woman shouldn't always assume sexism plays a role whenever she doesn't get the job she wants. Plus the same can be said about men. If he didn't get the job as a nurse for example should he assume it was because he was man. Both genders can pay the sexism card or equal card when it's suits them.

I usually avoid this type of topics but I couldn't resist this one. Note to Smart Alex I thought you didn't believe in equality just fairness. I do agree with equal rights under the law equal worth but I don't believe in complete gender equality because it's not so black and white.

Start paying for dates.

That's his choice. If he doesn't want to pay, then he can always ask someone else for a date.

- Fight to have rape and domestic abuse laws require actual proof beyond a woman's word, no matter how much crying and sobbing she does.

I doubt there's ways to give 'actual proof', not sure exactly what kinda proof you'd consider good enough. I think if these cases weren't based on what lawyers bicker about, we'd all be better off though and the truth would be easier to see.

- Have women stop their ******** mind games used to manipulate men. Manipulative people aren't controlled by gender.

- Stop whining and crying about "sexist" jokes and remarks when women say similar things all the time about men.

Agree, unless it's done at work maliciously.

- Drop your pre-conceived notions that the world has it out for women. Accept responsibility for yourselves.

Agree, everyone should be responsible for themselves, even women *gasp* haha =o)

- Drop your pre-conceived notions that men are sex-maddened pigs who only want one thing.

Not all that many women have this opinion, but the ones who do should get real, for sure.

- Stop thinking that men have no emotions.

Same as above.

- Stop hitting men if you don't want to be hit back.

Lesson learned while I was in my teens. Hope other women who are dense learn the same lesson. It's totally ridiculous.

- Protest when a woman is given a lesser punishment than a man for the same crime. Happens A LOT.

Can't stand that.

- Stop assuming that a man who is nice to kids is a pervert.

Kids are a tough one, it's not fair but that's gotta be a huge fear for parents. Stranger danger and all. I don't think it's a great fear or sensible, but can understand it. Though they should have a healthy fear of women who are abusers as well.

- Stop affirmative action. This is favoritism and discrimination plain and simple. Where is affirmative action in the female-dominated industries, hmm? No need for equality there I suppose.

This one's iffy.

- Stop publishing hate-speech about men (alot of feminist literature) while censoring men who say the same.

Not informed enough about this one. Seen a lot of crap from both sides. A lot of what people are up in arms about that I have seen, I can't understand. Seems harmless to me, or done clearly as a joke, not a real belief.

- Let a man stay home and be the housekeeper/childrearer or whatever term you want to apply to that role, and let the woman be the breadwinner. Also, stop chastising men who want to do so.

I don't even want children, neither does my partner. So I'm good. This is a persona choice everyone needs to make for themselves, as long as they take care of their kids I don't care who's home with them most often.

- Finally, stop playing the sexism card when you don't get that job you applied for.

Never did, not gonna start now =o)

Can you please be more precise? How are women weaker than men? Women throughout history always did everything from fighting hand in hand with men in wars to working and raising their children on their own. Besides it's women who give birth, no man can beat that. it's tough for us to go to war then go home and cook and help our kids with their homework all in one day and on top of that we manage to live longer :) Itishree you are right women and men are equal. Behind any strong man there is a strong woman.

Unfortunately most of these are not rights so they cannot be enforced - a lot are just examples of hypocrisy. But I already comply with most of your points.

- I do pay for dates.

- Most the time rape cases do require evidence, and often ones that have evidence are still not convicted. And before people say I got this from feminist propaganda, this was from a statement issued by the police. I was not aware that there are many cases where men are falsely convicted of rape. However I still believe people should be far harsher on people who have been proved to be lying in court.

- I don't play any manipulative mind games, nor does anyone I know. But there is nothing stopping neither men nor women from playing mind games so it is not an example of inequality. It is mean, but you can't force people to stop.

- I don’t whine about sexist jokes. A joke is a joke. But I don’t tell sexist jokes either.

- I am responsible for myself and I do know that the world does not have it out for women. Nor do I know anyone else who does that.

- I don’t think men are sex maddened pigs nor do I know anyone who thinks that.

- I am fully aware that men have emotions, so is everyone else.

- I don’t hit men. If a man hit me I would not be outraged because I am a woman. Hitting a man is just as bad hitting a woman.

- I do protest against women being given lighter sentences because they are women. I support equality, and favouring women is not part of that.

- I have never seen anyone assume a man who is nice to kids is a pervert.

- I am against affirmative action. (This seems to be one of the few points on your list which is actually to do with equal rights, rather than being seen equal socially)

- The number of women who publish hate speech against men is extremely small. And the majority of women oppose such hate speech.

- I do let men be house keepers. I admire anyone who can do the majority of household chores, I know it is a job I would not want to have to do by myself. I have utter respect for anyone who can raise a child; their gender does not affect this respect.

- I have never played the sexism card, nor has any woman I know.

Women DO pay for dates; the person who asks should be the one who pays. This isn't a matter of law or social policy. If you don't want to pay for dates, don't ask women out.

Letting rapists go free is wrong. Men don't have the right to rape; neither do women. You're not advocating equality. You're advocating crime being unpunished.

People playing mind-game on other people isn't a matter of sex. It's also not something anyone else can control. Thus, you can't stop men who play mind games on women from continuing to do so, any more than I can control what other women do.

PEOPLE shouldn't tell rude jokes about others. Period.

Most women take responsibility for themselves, and take more responsibility for their children than the fathers do.

I don't HAVE any notions that men re sex-maddened pigs; I can't control what others think, except to speak out when men are stereotyped (which I do).

I've never though that men have no emotions.

I don't hit.

I rarely protest; I'm not going to protest every instance of injustice, as there isn't enough time, even if one does nothing else. I would support fair punishment.

I don't assume that men who are nice to kids is a pervert. Yes, it's wrong that, for instance, SAHDs, and others are treated as pervs, without any real evidence.

Name ONE field that pays better, that men are discriminated against. Female-dominated jobs are the lowest-paying jobs. As long as men discriminate against women, we need ways to make the playing-field level.

I don't publish hate-speech about men; never have. I don't censor anyone, as I'm not a publisher, or a government. I do speak out against men who hate all women. I will NEVER stop speaking out against hate and injustice.

I've never in any way prevented any man from staying home to be a SAHD. I have never chastised men who want to do so.

I've never played the sexism card.

Now, stop lying about people you've never even met. Stop playing the sexism card.

Support full human rights for all humans -- like me.

We are in a rise and fall of civilisations,much like 2000 years ago. It is characterised by low morals, material overtaking human progress, bad economies, and people thinking its the end of the world. So, men getting the equal rights that women do would more than likely only be in the new civilisations. But, we are also in a rising matriarchal society, so possibly not getting them.

I personally would never be a housewife and wouldnt want my husband to do it full time cuase we both work as a team and I think its way better this way. Everyone else can do what they like but I would never expect my husband to be the sole breadwinner.

Everyone knows men are emotional. Its just some women like to pretend to men that they dont know it cause men like that type of thing. My husband still watches films whilst hugging his mum on the settee and he is 25 this year! My brother rings my mum crying when he is upset for her to make it better and hes 20. She sorts out everything for him. I have had countless boyfriends, male friends and they are all like that secretly and I think they all like their mum to make things better no matter what their age. If you know any men one on one then you will know they are exceptionally emotional. :)

"Start paying for dates."

I agree. No one is obligated to pay for you just because you have a uterus.

"Have women stop their bullshit mind games used to manipulate men."

Right, because all men are SO straightforward.

"Stop whining and crying about "sexist" jokes and remarks when women say similar things all the time about men."

Feminists don't do this. Actually, we tend to have a better sense of humor about things like that than non-feminist women do.

"Drop your pre-conceived notions that the world has it out for women. Accept responsibility for yourselves."

This is just stupid. It's not a pre-conceived notion, but it figures that someone like you would say that.

"Drop your pre-conceived notions that men are sex-maddened pigs who only want one thing."

I agree that we should stop generalizing, but I'm not going to pretend that some men don't help to keep this image alive.

"Stop thinking that men have no emotions."

Don't men brag about how 'tough' they are and how 'whiny' women are? C'mon.

- Stop affirmative action. This is favoritism and discrimination plain and simple. Where is affirmative action in the female-dominated industries, hmm? No need for equality there I suppose.

Thank you for answering your own question. How many men get picked on by other women for becoming nurses? How many men get bashed for joining ANY female-dominated field? Look how many female cops and firefighters get harassed by male coworkers because they are female? Your logic is off.

"Stop publishing hate-speech about men (alot of feminist literature) while censoring men who say the same."

A: Not all women are feminists. Try not to use the two words interchangeably.

B: How do we censor them? Aren't their books published anyway? Can we agree that there is a lot of hateful speech on both ends of the spectrum?

"Let a man stay home and be the housekeeper/childrearer or whatever term you want to apply to that role, and let the woman be the breadwinner. Also, stop chastising men who want to do so."

I'm assuming that you're referring to non-feminist women on this one, considering that feminists have fought so that an arrangement like this can be possible and accepted. It's anti-feminists who want to keep women barefoot and knocked up, not feminists.

"Finally, stop playing the sexism card when you don't get that job you applied for."

I agree, to a certain extent. If I'm offered less money than my less-than-qualified competition, solely because I'm a woman, then you're damned right I'm raising hell.

You are dreaming the big dream.

Do not think any of things you listed will occur in your lifetime. (I think we are speeding in the other direction)

Where do you think all this is going?

Here is article about what can happen when women as a group decide men are the problem.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-...

"The Papua New Guinea jungle has given up one of its darkest secrets - the systematic slaughter of every male baby born in two villages to prevent future tribal clashes.

By virtually wiping out the 'male stock', tribal women hope they can avoid deadly bow-and-arrow wars between the villages in the future.

'Babies grow into men and men turn into warriors,' said Rona Luke, a village wife who is attending a special 'peace and reconciliation' meeting in the mountain village of Goroka."

"A resident of Agibu village, Mrs Luke said she did not know how many male babies were killed by being smothered, but it had happened to all males over a 10 year period - and she suggested it was still happening."

I think the seeds of the masculine movement are being planted already. So, taking the feminist movement as an example... maybe in 50 years we'll actually have genuine equality.