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In your opinion, is it true that the younger fans don't have respect for the veterans? If yes, why is that?
I'm not trying to make a big debate here. I've put this issue on my previous question, but I'll put it again here:
"Lately, there's been much protest from some users saying Wrestlemania 25 should have been main evented by younger stars such as Kennedy, MVP, or Ted DiBiase Jr instead of the same old guys like HBK, Undertaker, or Cena.
Some of them even said HBK and Undertaker need to retire ASAP so the younger stars could use their spotlights.
I found this ridiculous cause most of the younger stars are nowhere near HBK's and Taker's levels and couldn't draw crowds and have quality matches like they have."
And there's also some opinion. From Muta Scale:
"Finally someone has told the truth. I have been sick and tired of wrestling fans from fourms saying that guys like Shawn and Undertaker need to retire and let the young wrestlers take over. I ask you this are wrestlers ready to take over? I'm sure glad you don't write storylines.
Young wrestlers are good and upcomers, but veterans like Shawn, Undertaker, and Sting are going to be pushed because more people know them and recognize them and care about them. Their going to be pushed first before you.
I'm starting to think Stings promo last August was true to the fans and wrestlers. Their abunch of smartasses. This is all about "Respect". People should support the veterans that paved the way for you to still watch wrestling because they don't owe you or the rookies anything.
Glad someone saw this through."
And also a great reply from Rhys :
"I've been watching wrestling for about 18 years, since I was literally in diapers. I respect all the veterans that have paved the way for the younger talent. Unfortunately, the new fans who started watching in late 2000 try to say that Batista and Cena are the future of wrestling. Ridiculous, no offense to the two but they aren't worthy to shine the shoes of real wrestling legends such as Taker, HBK, Flair, and others. I believe the quality of wrestlers are beginning to diminish. Why? I believe it is much easier to become a prowrestler then it was back in the day. Seems as though these so called future superstars of the WWE are lazy and disrespectful.
I remember reading a Kevin Nash interview a few years ago. He said that back in the locker room, the younger talent would give up their seats for the veterans. Not because they were asked to or had to, just was a sign of respect. Kevin stated he gave up his seat numerous times for wrestlers like Harley Race. The respect factor has diminished greatly in the WWE. All these young guys need to be slapped in the face and shown how to cut a promo or put on a great match. This is my take on it, if these younger guys want the spot light, then they need to EARN the spotlight. Do you think HBK started out as a superstar? He gave up his health to reach the status that he's at. These young guys don't deserve anything. They shouldn't have the spotlight handed to them. Once they've earned the right to be in the spotlight, then maybe I'll consider having them main eventing."
So, tell me your opinion. Best explanation get 10 points.
16 Answers
- HannahLv 51 decade agoFavorite Answer
Interesting (by the way im sorry this is long). I think there is a lack of respect wrapping around Wrestling Fans these days in general - and it is not just with veterans. Basically, people need to realise that guys like The Undertaker and Shawn Michaels, paved the way for Wrestling fans today. Being an Undertaker fan yourself, you know as well as i do, that Taker was offered to go to WCW in the 90's, but stayed and helped WWE/F. Now, i dont think its all younger fans. Im only 15, and i respect The Undertaker more than any other Wrestler in the 'E. Honestly, i dont mind Ted DiBiase and all those Wrestlers mentioned, but they are not over with the crowd, people would riot if they main evented at Wrestlemania. Personally, i feel Taker puts on better matches than the Rookies in Legacy, the Current World Champions, and more.
I've watched Wrestling since i was 3 years old, and i have nothing but the up-most respect, for the Wrestlers i grew up watching. Even the Wrestlers i dislike (Triple H), i still have respect for. Now, i think a factor that plays in this 'lack of respect', is that some of these fans are 'new'. They have not been watching Wrestling for 12 years, they have been watching for two, three, or four years. They haven't been exposed to the 'real' Shawn or Taker - and yet they still want The Attitude Era back.
Some people need to remember, that the Veterans they say 'need to retire because they are old', bring in the money. They bring in the fans, they put people in their seats. Not only that, but these Veterans step out the lime-light for others, have refused world titles to make these 'smarks' happy - and guess what? They are still showing a lack of respect. The Undertaker has said himself, that he will retire when people start to say 'hes not as good as he use to be' and honestly, Taker is just as good as ever. Just because someone is old, it doesn't mean they should retire, please note, some of these people who say Taker and Shawn should retire, are the same people who support Ric Flair - kind of hypocritical, dont you think?
Now, there is something else im getting tierd of, and that is the lack of respect not for newer stars, but current ones. Some fans keep comparing current Wrestlers to Wrestlers from the past. People need to realise that Wrestling has changed, we do not get 60 minute technical bouts anymore, and if you do not like it - then dont watch it. Just because a Wrestler today, isn't anything like a Wrestler from 10 years ago, does not mean you can mindlessly bash them. I think Jeff Hardy is a main example here, because he gets bashed alot and disrespected alot, because he isn't 'like other wrestlers' and i ask, is that such a bad thing? Respect for the business" is an extremely vague term. I cannot deny that Hardy has had motivational issues over the years, but he has been nothing but gracious to his fans and, as far as I know, has never been careless to the point of being hazardous to someone else in the ring. In my opinion, "respect for the business" is a term used by jealous veterans to belittle wrestlers who are looking to get out of the business so that they still have enough time to pursue other life goals. Is Hardy in it for the paycheck? More than likely, yes. Do I see him in the business eight to ten years from now? No. But, I don't think that should have any bearing on his respect for the business. Respect for the business means, to me, going out there and giving it your all (which Hardy has been doing for almost two years), being conscientious of the safety of your co-workers, and being kind and courteous to fans that shell out their hard-earned money to come and see you wrestle or who come to see you at a meet-and-greet.
In the business itself, i feel there can be a lack of respect. But i think the younger stars know their place. Its only in some cases that they dont - eg; Teddy Hart. But when you have guys like Randy Orton, refusing to end Wrestlemania Streaks out of respect, it does make you question some things. Everyone complained about the same Main Eventers, but when guys like Punk and Jeff finally got the belt, they all complained. In contradiction, i cannot count the amount of times Taker has been called 'The Dad', 'The Hero', 'The Leader', of the lockeroom.
Society itself has changed, and as La Parka said, some kids just dont have respect. But they should atleast respect he peformers who go out there every night, who are the road 300 days a year, who sign autographs when they dont have too. Younger Wrestling fans and Older Wrestling fans, should show respect for every wrestler, but the for the most, veterans who have sacraficed their health, familes and lives, for their careers to entertaing. And with Younger Wrestlers, they need to stop coming in to the Business, and expecting to be made into a star straight away - that is not how it works. Pay your dues, respect the Veterans, and maybe then they can main event. Honestly, i would rather see a supposed 'old' Wrestler like The Undertaker main eventing every week, rather than a bland set of young Wrestlers.
In the end, Wrestling has changed, but sadly, so has society - and thats not necessarily a good thing. Let those disrespectful people be. If you want respect, then you have to earn in. And i would love to see how people justify an arguent about how Taker has not earned his respect. Quite Frankly, if those people want to be disrespectful, then they do not deserve to See Shawn vs Taker at Wrestlemania 25.
- I Hate Peeps™Lv 61 decade ago
YES.
And it's NOT Just the Younger Fans , but they are the MOST Disrespectful.
It has to do with the fact that Most Younger Fans have Absolutley NO Idea about who these Performers Are , or the History of The Sport of Professional Wrestling that they "Supposedly" Love.
That , & they are Pretty Much just Ignorant People with pretty Much No Reference , or Disposition Outside of 2-3 Years of Watching WWE.
And there is a REASON People like 'Taker , HBK , & Cena Main Event PPV's like WM.
And Cena , Really? , He's only 31.
God , No Respect.
They have the Talent & Charisma to Main Event.
These other Guys have the POTENTIAL to Main Event , but haven't Proved it Yet.
This "Younger Generation" has NO Idea , & NO Willingness to Learn that , WITHOUT Guys like 'Taker , Sting , HBK , etc.. There Would Be NO Randy Orton , NO MVP , NO Mr. Kennedy , NO Ted Dibiase for them to Even Watch.
Hell , there May not even Be a Wrestling industry at All.
These Guys are the Backbone of the Business that have held it Together for the Last 20 Years.
Yes , it's NOT just the fans Either - it's A LOT of the Performers as Well Backstage.
They Don't Realize that without these Guys , There would be NO Business for them to Even have a Job IN.
Guys like Randy Orton , MVP , Brian Kendrick , etc... who Get Backstage Heat for Not Listening to the Veterans who Have been around & know a Good Idea when they see it.
They just Blow them Off & basically say "F*ck You Oldtimer , This is MY Business Now."
Randy May be a Great Talent & the "Future" , but he still has No Business even Holding HBK's Jock.
Yeah , I saw that Interview Too.
That is the Way it's SUPPOSED to be done.
That's OLD SCHOOL.
There is a Rank System Backstage.
Or , at least there USED to be....
Back in the Day , if you were a Rookie , You Didn't Even GET a Dressing Room , let Alone get to Dress with the Main Eventers.
You Dressed in the Hallway.
You EARNED Your way to the Top.
No If's , And's , or But's about it.
I GuaranDAMNtee You , If were to Walk into a WWE or TNA Locker Room as a Vet. like 'Taker , HBK , or Ric Flair - MAYBE 1 or 2 People would offer you their Chair. MAYBE.
And Really , the Only 2 I could see Doing that would be John Cena or CM Punk.
The Rest wouldn't Even look at You or Give You a Second Thought.
These "Future of the Business" Superstars , get Every Damn Thing Handed to them without Reprecussion.
You Been here 4 Months? - Ok , Here's a World Title.
You Sell a Couple Shirts? - Undefeated Streak.
It's Complete BS.
As Someone who is Training to be in the Business , I take Great Offense to these Pre-Madonna's who think just Because of a Last Name or what have You , that they're Entitled to Whatever They Wish.
NO - F*ck That , It Doesn't Work that Way.
You Want Respect? - YOU EARN IT.
PERIOD. End of Story.
When I get in that Dressing Room , If ANYBODY who is More of a Vet than I Comes In , I'm Moving.
I won't Even give it a Second Thought.
I will GLADLY Change in the Hallway. Just as a Sheer Sign of Respect.
In the Business , You Get Out of It what you Put In It.
You SHOW Respect - You GET Respect.
No Exceptions.
I'm Sorry , But this Topic just P*sses Me the Hell Off.
Source(s): The Future of Pro Wrestling (WITH RESPECT) has Spoken. (AGAIN). The Originator of "has spoken". - ?Lv 51 decade ago
These younger fans really don't realize how the business works. Which newer or younger superstar is able to carry the company if these veterans were to retire. John Cena is carrying the company marketwise and him leaving means sufficient fall for the company. Others such as Triple H, Shawn Michaels, and Undertaker have been in the company for years. They are older now, but they can sell out an arena with just their matches and even at their age most have enough wrestling ability to outperform 1/2 of the next generation. What young superstar can do that on their current level? A superstar must be able to build enough fans before becoming the major player in the business. People like Mr. Kennedy and MVP are great talents that will, in the future, be able to hold the industry up but right now I wouldn't buy a ticket just to see them wrestle. Yes they are great, but they can't sell out an arena, they can't sell the most merchandise, and they just can't carry the business. How Undertaker is being used is a great way to show how veterans set up the stage for younger talents. Undertaker is used to expose the younger stars like Shelton Benjamin to the main event and upper card status.
New superstars need to earn their spot. Veterans already have.
- LPSR! CM ParkaLv 61 decade ago
Respect for past generations is not a wrestling problem, it's a problem with the world in general. Have you bumped into a kid out shopping recently? they take it as some kind of personal insult you accidental bumped into them and get abusive. Fact is respect is pretty much gone and these younger fan's are bringing this into wrestling. It's not just HBK and The Undertaker, have you seen the response's questions about Harley Race or any NWA/ territory's legend gets on here? i think younger fan's don't understand that age is just a number, he's older and not as good as he was so he must retire... no when you are as good as HBK and Undertaker even only being able to do 50% of what they could that 50% is still enough to shame the new stars. the WWE need to shake up the title picture yes but to say these older stars need to retire is just showing a lack of respect to people that made sure the younger stars have a stage to perform. Without Undertaker and HBK and Triple H ect. there wouldn't be a WWE to watch and they are still far better to watch than The Great Khali!
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- ?Lv 61 decade ago
This is nothing new. People said this twenty years ago as well. I think all wrestlers and true fans deserve respect, young and old.
However, in this business there is thing called paying your dues. Just because a wrestler is great does not mean he deserves to automatically be in the main event. They still have to work their way up through the chain.
At the same time, there are some veterans who don't know when it's time to get out of the way. However, I do not believe out of respect that you can just force them out.
I can see both sides of this issue and both have valid points. I do not believe that because you have talent that gives you the right to disrespect the guys who came before you.
- KathleenLv 45 years ago
The amount of respect a Veteran deserves depends on the individual that is giving the respect ! One must search ones` heart and soul to find out ; and know themselves for who they really are to grant respect ! If you search your heart and soul , and realize that a Veteran did something you know within your self that you could not have done what the Veteran did , then you owe the Veteran all the respect you can muster from the deepest part of your soul ! Give God the Glory for allowing the USA to be Blessed with the quality of Veterans we have had representing the USA for over 2 centuries !!
- Anonymous1 decade ago
I agree with everyone, mainly La Parka. People now a days just don't have respect for anyone or anything. I call it the dumbing down of america. They don't know about history or things that matter. Just the newest version of the Ipod and what song is #1 in the charts. Now, I admit i've said I want HBK to retire. But it isn't out of a lack of respect. I've just never liked him as a wrestler. Most of the other "older" guys i'm glad are still around.
- 1 decade ago
I think in real life the young wrestlers have respect for the veterans because their ones that they idolized and hopefully one day they would wrestle them, but their thinking the other way around. They want to try to take it instead of just waiting until they finally retire. That's all people have to do.
Just wait in due time and you will get your time. I'm not saying their are some young wrestlers that are smartallics. They are actually trying their best to make it and i'm proud of that. What makes me mad is when wrestlers like Randy Ortan who made his Wwf/e debut back in 2001 or 2002 and 2 years later he won the Whc. There were other guys like Christian and Rob Van Dam that were in Wwe longer waited for their chance but instead we have a 2 year rookie. Since when did he deserve it.
Lets look at Edge he debuted in Wwf back in 1998 and 6 years later he work he way upthat'ss what you call hard work. Lets also think talk about the gimmick matches he wrestled in aswell.
I sometimes think the Young wrestlers know about but I don't think they care.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
This conflict has been going on forever since the beginning of time. I remember "people" back in the day say things like "when is Flair and Dusty going to retire" thinking that "young" guys like Stunning Steve Austin and Sting would be at the top of WCW.
There were some legitimate opinions then and some today.....but of the current class who is ready for the pressure and honor of being the top guy? Over the past few months several wrestlers are being groomed to be the next main eventers.....some took the opportunity and shined others froze in the spotlight. I see about 4 or 5 "superstars" on Raw gradually progress to respectable wrestlers and I've seen several rushed too fast in what seems like a panic just to get new talent on tv. Granite HBK and Undertaker are near the end of their careers but who truly deserves the honor of having the torch passed to them?
I see several possible candidates and roads that can be taken. The company has been hell bent on pushing Orton and Cena as the top guys but I don't think they are worthy of it.......I see them as transitional or enhancement talent being used as props to get the real next big thing to the top. The chosen one is CM PUNK! Let's say that Orton does actually get over as a top heel with his Legacy group and let's say that he wins the World Title again. Who is going to save us from this evil villian?!?!?! Why its none other than the Straight Edge Superstar......CM PUNK. They do have some unresolved history after all.....Orton punted CM Punk forcing him to vacate the title.
Once the whole Orton vs Shane deal dies down.....the McMahon's could easily book CM Punk into the title scene. Let's say have a few tag matches on Raw with Punk pinning Orton. That would go back and forth a few weeks then Orton would want revenge so he asks for a Legacy member getting a shot at the IC belt. CM Punk would beat one in a Raw main event. Then next week there is a rematch with Punk showing some weakness.....then the next week he loses to the other member. After a few gimmick matches the roads eventually leads to Orton as World Champion vs CM Punk as challenger......where CM Punk would win at a major PPV like say Survivor Series.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
I don't neccisarily believe that all younger fans only like new wrestlers. I consider myself a new fan as I have only been watching for 8 years, but I do like some legends and older wrestlers.
Roddy Rowdy Piper
Billy Kidman
Kurt Angle
Dean Malenko
HBK
Tommy Dreamer
are some of my favorite. However, I do like some of the younger superstars.
Randy Orton
Shannon Moore
M.v.P
Mike Knox
John Morrision
- 1 decade ago
whats become of the world now. Let the vets retire to make way for scum like John Cena. no thanks i'd prefer to watch Abdullah the butcher any day thank you. id rather see the Briscoes vs The Rougeaus than Cody Rhodes and Ted Dibiase JR vs Santino and Jack Swagger. WWE fans expect more than people who actually know what theyre doing in the ring. those little stupid ******* kids would prefer Muscles to experience. Prefer Cena to Flair, Orton to Michaels. Theyre mental, this is why i gave up watching WWE ages ago then i returned to see Y2J return. now im disgusted by WWE. i prefer the old Japan stuff to the garbage WWE and TNA promote nowadays.