Should we leave Afghanistan already?

Agree.

Immediate, total, and unconditional withdrawal.

However, that is unlikely. This is a "must-win" for the collapsing U.S. empire. If the owners of my country pull out from Afghanistan, the collapse process will speed up, and they know it.

You'd think that the Neocons who started this war, and Obama's Neolibs who want to continue and expand it, would have read enough history to understand that Afghanistan is where empires go to die.

Just ask the Brits or the Soviets. Heck, even as far back as Alexander the Great, smart people learned that lesson.

Karzai will be out soon...he has been ineffective.

[Philip Giraldi is a former officer of the United States Central Intelligence Agency who became famous for claiming in 2005 that the USA was preparing plans to attack Iran with nuclear weapons in response to a terrorist action against the US, independently of whether or not Iran was involved in the action. He is presently a partner in an international security consultancy, Cannistraro Associates.]

[During Mullen's Senate confirmation hearings for the position of Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mullen identified political progress in Iraq as a critical component of Iraq policy.[6] He noted that, "there does not appear to be much political progress" in Iraq.[6] He also said, "If [the Iraqis] aren't making progress in [the political] realm, the prospects for movement in a positive direction are not very good. Failure to achieve tangible progress toward [political] reconciliation requires a strategic reassessment."[6] Mullen further told the Senate that the United States needs to "bring as much pressure on [Iraq's political leaders] as [the U.S.] possibly can."[6]

Regarding the length and scope of the U.S. involvement in Iraq, Mullen told the Senate that while he does not envision permanent U.S. bases in Iraq, "vital interests in the region and in Iraq require a pragmatic, long-term commitment that will be measured in years, not months.]

Admirals fight sea battles not ground wars.

Yes but Imperialistic logic demands the US stays. Nation building, bringing democracy, war on terror, are all lies to conceal cold hard resource wars period.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AgivV...

As for Obama's claim that Afghanistan and Pakistan constitute the “central front in the war on terror” and that American forces are fighting “the terrorists who hit us on 9/11,” he is engaging in the same kind of lying propaganda that the Bush administration used to promote the war in Iraq.

The reality is that the US intervention in Afghanistan—like the one in Iraq—is aimed not at combating terrorism, but at securing US hegemony over crucial energy reserves and pipeline routes in both regions.

US-led forces are engaged in a dirty colonial-style war in Afghanistan, confronting popular resistance from forces that have nothing to do with Al Qaeda. To suppress this resistance, they have resorted to an increasingly indiscriminate use of air power, killing growing numbers of civilians and, in turn, fueling popular hatred of the occupation.

This is the supposedly “good war” against terrorism promoted by Barack Obama.

Bush botched Afghanistan because he was so intent on invading Iraq....for what reason, we still don't know.

Afghanistan is where the real war on Terror is actually fought though. This was the base of Al Qaeda and a major root of instability in the Middle East....it's everything Iraq WASN'T. Iraq was stable, secular and served as a counterpoint to other powers in the Middle East.....before we destabilized it.

I don't know where the war in Afghanistan is or how realistic it is to battle the insurgency (Russians and Brits both failed there, eventually).

I just know that this should have been the true focus, starting on 9/12/01....and it wasn't.

Afghanistan is the bigger problem. If anything you should ask:

"When are we going to pull out of Iraq?" Afghanistan is where the 9/11 terrorists are and where the most extreme terror cells are still located.

should have never gone in to begin with. OBL has been dead for years and the Taliban are the elected gov of that country. why the hell we are there is anybodies guess.

or maybe we're there for the drugs, which has increased output of 500% since we invaded.

If Karzai, or the governments, official position is that we set a timetable then we should.

Its their country.

Russia could not do it..... it was their Viet Nam

all Bush did by a token attack was increase Opium output to # l in the world......... un until recently we have had more cops in NYC than solders in Afghanistan......................

Do I think we can win a war there NO...... when was the last time the US really won a war anywhere ?

No, about high time we get to the real war and out of Iraq. But wait, our borders isn't secure yet? Gee what is anyone thinking?

Yeah we won Iran, so let's lose Afghanistan where we should have been before according to the democrats. Makes no sense, but what does these days........