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Anonymous asked in Politics & GovernmentPolitics · 1 decade ago

Would it be illegal to print a coupon "money" for the trade of goods in your own town/city?

I am not saying counter fit -- that would be an attempt to reproduce a bill that was meant to pass as federal issue currency

I am talking about the city or town - printing a piece of paper with it's name on it and a number value to it

And then using that as a means of trade between voluntary members

Instead of using the federal issue dollar which is increasingly worthless and controlled by a handful of elites

What is to stop a group of persons deciding to make their own coupons and using that as money ?

Essentially defeating the bankers altogether

Update:

If several employers a couple of farmers and a handful of other stores agreed -- and voluntarily traded in these coupons

The banks would have no leverage - the income tax laws would become null and void because that refers to federal issue currency payments

Sales tax would be null and void because that too relies on sales in federal issue currency

---- All it would take is 2500 people or so to agree to trade amongst themselves and use the Towns printed currency as a marker for exchanges or trades in services for comodities

We would once more own 100 % of our labors and owe no one money for purchase of goods and services because no good or service would be legally purchased but rather traded amongst volunteers

The power of the banks would crash and burn but how many of us would cry over the fate of the billionaires who have gotten rich and fat off our labors ?

Update 2:

Phil

That is just it --- I am not saying print money

I am saying print a coupon with a number value on it

Do not try to pass it off as federal issue currency ---- Print city of X on it or town of Y

------------ The coupon for 50 cents off is not counterfit

And neither would an agreement to trade goods and services using a paper marker to keep track of the trades so that they were fair representations of trade

Poker with match sticks sort of idea

Update 3:

Phil

Yes wealth equals money -- the coupon would be worthless paper in the eyes of the government and since you would consider your trade of service to goods and equal trade you have gained nothing but a few worthless coupons

How will the government tax you on something it must consider worthless ?

Yes on a strict level it is collectivisim

But collectivisim on a local level as oppsosed to an national level of 300 million people -- A move in the right direction giving the people more power and the elites less

Another move in the right direction ---the move away from your dreaded collectivism is decentralization of power not centralization which is the current situation

Update 4:

Zeespot

No it would not completely circumvent the dollar

--- But I fail to see how you could tax what would amount to monopoly money

Anything official would have to be paid for in dollars --- so you would always have to buy gas in currency -- But food services and many other things on a local level could simply be traded -- not "sold"

Update 5:

Casino chips are an agreement of worth in US dollars -- The chip is not taxable until you receive money

As soon as you take your chip in --- and they hononor their agreement to pay you -- and you receive cash --- Then you have gained wealth

The chip is a promise of something it is not wealth or cash or an income until the casino honors it's bargain it is only a promise

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  • 1 decade ago
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    It is called Script. A local town here is doing it to premote the small town's core business's. You buy the script from City Hall, then spend it at the local business's for discounted prices, keeping Money flowing in the community.

    Source(s): Trikerphilosophy
  • 1 decade ago

    As Oh Noooo pointed out, this is already happening. It's called "scrip." As long as the currency doesn't look like or isn't passed off as legal federal currency, it's legal. Communities are creating certificates that are sold at a discount (say, ninety cents on the dollar) and are used at local stores.

    EDIT: I don't think this system could be used to circumvent the official currency system, though, since the majority of the country still uses federal dollars and anyone in the community who wants to buy things outside the scrip system would have to use dollars, not coupons.

    Also, because the system is local, a small group of merchants could agree to charge more using the scrips than they would for dollars. There wouldn't be any legal recourse for price fixing, because the scrips aren't legal currency. It wouldn't be a perfect system.

    Source(s): www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2009-04-05-scrip_N.htm
  • 1 decade ago

    Apparently not because there is a city in North Carolina that has issued the "Pittsboro Plenty" in an effort to keep money flowing within their own community. Apparently it's working well for them and the local bank has agreed to exchange Fed $ for "Plenty" and "Plenty" for Fed $.

    -- North Carolina Town Prints Own Currency to Support Local Business

    http://www.democracynow.org/2009/4/9/north_carolin...

    A few months ago, an episode of 'European Journal' (Euro 'news magazine' program carried by PBS and LINK-TV) that featured a town in Germany that, at particular time, allowed people to pay in DM at the local markets/shops. Sorry... I don't have the time right now to run down a link for it, but if you want to track it down, it might be possible from the PBS or LINK TV home page search functions.

    http://www.linktv.org/

    http://www.pbs.org/

  • 1 decade ago

    I am part of a LETS (Local Exchange Trading Scheme) which operates in Newcastle and many other cities in Australia.

    It is a scheme which allows you to trade your skills,services, goods and foodstuffs between members of the association.

    It works really well, has turned out to be a great social networking tool as well as an economic aid to many and is totally legal here.

    I do not know about Canadian law, but as you have no intention of passing this off as actual legal tender I cannot see why it would be a problem

    Source(s): http://www.letslinkuk.net/ - 22k -
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  • Phil M
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    1 decade ago

    The constitution. It gives the federal government the sole-power to create currency.

    Also, the federal government taxes income. Meaning, if you gain wealth by any means it can be taxed if not gained through proper channels (tax shelters).

    I'm not saying you have a bad idea, I'm just saying its been blocked.

    Those cities are using a USD backed "dollar" its just designed to keep the money local. Its not the same as what he is suggesting, which is to kick the dollar to the curb.

    And they'll still pay taxes on income/wealth earned/transfered.

    matchsticks have no value, the moment you add value to them, they are taxable items.

    Our government isn't stupid, they just act like that on TV.

    From the CNN link

    "The IRS gets its share. When someone pays for goods or services with local money, the income to the business is taxable, says Tom Ochsenschlager of the American Institute of Certified Public Accountants. "It's not a way to avoid income taxes, or we'd all be paying in Detroit dollars," he says."

    There is no way around the taxes

    Also, you are saying you would substitute it for federal currency

    "The banks would have no leverage - the income tax laws would become null and void because that refers to federal issue currency payments "

    Look, if I "trade you a house" for something you have gained wealth. That wealth is taxable.

    Those "berkshares" are literally "sams club" type of things where you agree to do business with "company x, y and z" and they give you a discounted rate.

    You still pay sales taxes. The companies will still pay state and federal taxes.

    There is no way around the tax side of this.

    Source(s): This is also a quasi-collectivist idea you have. Nobody reads into the details anymore... Thost "casion tokens" are traded in at some point for a good/service/dollar. That good/service/dollar is taxed or is supposed to be taxed. This guy is talking about getting around income taxes and paper money all together. Which none of you are talking about.
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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    It is done all the time

    There is nothing wrong with it at all.

    What do you think casino tokens are if not a form of locally coined money?

    If you look at a dollar bill you will see that it references public debts and private debts. Local money is not legal tender for public debts such as taxes. It is just fine for private debts.

  • 1 decade ago

    No, it's perfectly legal. Scrip was used for years to pay workers in remote mining camps. Modern scrip such as gift certificates, gift cards, credit cards, coupons are essentially substitute currency.

    This method of localities issuing currency has been used a various points throughout history when credit was tight.

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