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Anonymous asked in Society & CultureReligion & Spirituality · 1 decade ago

Why do atheists say da Bible has da wrong value for π even though this has long been refuted & is out of date?

Some of u might not think all this to be a big deal, but for some reason, many skeptics are making this a big deal for no reason. Theyre saying that the Bible is mathematically inaccurate since they claim that the Bible contains an incorrect value for π. Their objection is based upon 2 Bible verses (1 Kings 7:23 & 2 Chronicles 4:3) that seem to define the geometric ratio π as being exactly equal to 3.

1st of all, let me explain how I found out about this objection recently, which I consider to be a ridiculous & weak for many reasons. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerical_approximati...

I thought the section was a little biased. Notice also that the secular system of numbering years (CE & BCE) is used instead of the Christian system of numbering years (B.C & AD). I was curious about these people’s thought so I went to the Discussion section & I found out it was even more biased on these 2 sections that deal with the supposed Biblical discrepancy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Numerical_approx...

The second section is even more biased.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Numerical_approx...

I went to Conservapedia, the right winged, conservative, & Christian version of Wikipedia to see if it had anything to say about this. I started to read about π there & sure enough there was a section about π & the Bible. When I read that the question is raised frequently enough to earn mention in the Skeptics Annotated Bible I laughed.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Pi#Does_the_Bible_att...

I was curious again to see what the talk pages had to say & I thought it was interesting to read what they had to say.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Pi#Is_the_Bible_...

Later I realized that this was a common objection atheists throw out to Christians. If it werent, then this wouldnt have been mentioned in the Skeptics Annotated Bible nor would there be articles about this from major creationist organizations such as Institute of Creation Research, but there are. I dont know why theyre taking this objection seriously.

http://www.icr.org/article/524/

I found out this π objection was refuted about 2000 years ago, wow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbi_Nehemiah

So then is this some kind of new tactic that atheists & skeptics are using circles for no reason now to attack Christians like myself (lol)? BTW, π is a unique irrational #. U can never be 100% precise with it so this # is unlike any kind of #. Its always rounded no matter what.

Update 2:

There was a lack of space in the question section so I used da instead of the to conserve space.

Update 3:

So I noticed the following logical fallacies committed here: avoiding the question, avoiding the issue, & perhaps ad hominems since many of you attacked my credibility because of grammar. I already explained myself just above why I did that. You can find out about these logical fallacies here. Just scroll down to look for them http://www.iep.utm.edu/f/fallacy.htm

I assume that pointing out grammar mistakes is a tactic you atheists like to use when debating any kind of Christian, not just this kind mentioned here

http://www.creationwiki.org/Anticreationist_forum_...

but any kind of Christian. Sorry, this will not going to work on me. Nice try. Thanks for showing me though that I made a good point somewhere, although, most likely you will not admit it. Now, if I hurt anyone's feelings here for some stupid grammar mistakes, I'm sorry. I have to laugh at you though for being way to sensitive. My advise to those people is to grow up.

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  • 1 decade ago
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    I stopped taking you seriously when you started using 'da' as a replacement for 'the'.

  • Anonymous
    5 years ago

    Of course it's true! It tells us it is. By this logic, there are no guilty in prison! One can not prove himself an honest man, simply by proclaiming it so. One needs proof from an outside source, which is not affiliated with the original source nor using that original source as evidence. That said, I say that the Bible is a good book, which does tell many truths through symbolism and example. I can not say it is 100% true and no other can either for there are no living witnesses. For all we know and can prove of the stories from the book, is that as in all legend there are some elements of truth, but these elements may be exaggerated over time by those with ulterior motives. I believe there is something which created this great expanse we call the universe, but can not grasp the idea of a spirit which has no beginning nor end, that created or caused the creation of this reality. All things must have a starting point. Did God create himself? If not, who did? There are too many things that do not equate truth. I'm pantheist and believe in nature as god, not an all seeing, helper who watches over us.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    If by "refuted" you mean that someone has come up with a weak-*** retcon to try to explain their way out of a glaring blatant error in the Bible, then you might say it's refuted.

    However, from a literal reading of the Bible (which is what fundamentalists are always claiming is the only way to read the Bible), the Bible quite literally says that pi = 3.

    No amount of claiming "they meant the bottom of the bowl" can get around the fact that the Bible says pi = 3.

  • 1 decade ago

    I read through all that and you didn't put the supposed refutation anywhere in there! I want my 5 minutes back!

    > "There was a lack of space in the question section so I used da instead of the to conserve space."

    Oh that is rich! A lack of space you say? How, oh how, might that have happened?

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  • 1 decade ago

    Well, a cubit (the length of the forearm from elbow to fingertips) isn't exactly an accurate measurement. It kind depends on whose forearm is being used.

    As an atheist I'm far more concerned with the provenance of the bible than it's minutiae.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    I hardly think the discussion of the value of pi is weighing heavily on people who have objections to the Bible...rampant superstitions and paranoid fear-mongering are a lot higher on the list.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    There is little to nothing provable on any level in the Bible, sorry. If you want to know why, perhaps you should invest in a science book, and pick up a grammer book while you are at it.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    I couldn't understand your question because for some reason you omitted the word "the" for "da." I don't know what that means. You also added this strange symbol that I don't know the meaning of. You have to use proper English if you want people to understand you.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    7:23 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

    Because it DOES have the wrong value for Pi. The line would have been more than 31 cubits to compass it round about.

  • 1 decade ago

    William, William, William. Why does someone who is about to engage us in a debate about mathematics set himself up for ridicule by using "da" and "U"?

    As the joke says, "Pi r round, cornbread are square."

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