are fascists *REALLY* on the far right of our political spectrum?

Of course they aren't far right. They're far-left.

A condensed time-line:

- Communist revolutionaries were killing off the ruling classes, destroying the means of production and making themselves the new rulers.

- Fearing socialist revolutions where THEY would end up against the wall, Western ruling classes came-up with the idea to impose socialism by government policy so the revolutionaries would have nothing to rebel against and would back-off.

- In the U.S. these folks were known as "Progressives" and they ADORED Hitler.

- Hitler became a dirty word here and Progressives needed to rehabilitate their rightly tarnished image since everyone knew them as the Hitler-lovers they were. (are)

- They denounced Hitler and started calling themselves "liberals" but never made even trivial changes to their political platform. To further distance themselves from their ideological soul-mate, they took advantage of the fact that Hitler had a TURF WAR (but no conflict of ideology at all) with Stalin; claiming that since Stalin was on the left, Hitler must be on the right. It was an amazingly effective bit of propaganda.

So you see, fascist = Nazi = progressive = liberal = democrat.

Seriously, try to find a fundamental policy difference. You will fail.

As you point-out, even Mussolini defined Fascism as a centralization of the control of the means of production. That''s the core of socialism, which has two major forks. Socialism by revolution against the government or socialism imposed BY the government. By definition, a communist who ends up getting elected instead of using violence to gain power, is now a fascist.

Communist, Democrat, Fascist, Liberal, Nazi, Progressive & Socialist. All basically the same thing. Their only differences are merely in the details.

BTW, The "third way" phrase referred to the earlier perceived dichotomy between relative freedom or revolutionary upheaval. The "third way" was to beat the revolutionaries to the punch and adopt socialist policies from WITHIN the existing government.

Fascism is far right. Far right isn't about freedom, individualism, small government or anything like that. It's simply about whoever is the "fittest" rules everyone else with an iron fist. That's fascist.

No fascism is on the left, like our presidents since Reagan. Fascism is close to communism in that the state owns all, ostensibly to share with all. Some believe it is the best form of social structure because there is one party, one government and one leader.

In general, egalitarian ideologies belong on the left, and hierarchical ones belong on the right. Originally anarchism, early socialism, and classical liberalism were on the left; nationalism, and throne-and-altar conservatism, were on the right.

Since fascism combines nationalism, dictatorship, and other forms of authoritarianism, it belongs on the right, with other forms of nationalism, with monarchism, etc.

P.S. People sometimes place fascism on the left and libertarianism on the right, because people usually place Marxism and other forms of state-socialism on the left, and then they compare fascism with state-socialism, noting certain similarities, and compare libertarianism with state-socialism, noting the differences. In theory, Marxism and other forms of state-socialism, are supposed to create freedom and equality. In practice, they don't. We could say that state-socialist aims are left-wing but their policies are right-wing.

fascism just describes an oppressive regime that uses military or paramilitary force to control the people both within and outside of the country. It technically has absolutely nothing to do with money. Republicans might not be seen as fascist because they want everyone to have guns, but they are still oppressive as far as gay marriage, abortion rights, and freedoms from the Bill of Rights are concerned.

Fascism was never proved wrong, unlike communism. Mussolini was openly praised by British newspapers until the war started.

and your quoting Mussolini a facist, so can i quote hitler saying the final solution is a good thing, it'd hold the same weight

edit; found this

Socialists (socialism) - Freedom ranked 1st, Equality ranked 2nd

Hitler (fascism) - Freedom ranked 16th, Equality ranked 17th

Goldwater (capitalism) - Freedom ranked 1st, Equality ranked 16th

Marx (communism) - Freedom ranked 17th, Equality ranked 1st

No. Fascism is what the Obama administration is working towards. i.e. government control of businesses. Not ownership by control.

On the Economic spectrum, fascists are in the middle, between communists on one extreme and laissez faire capitalists on the other. However, they are on the far right of the POLITICAL spectrum. They are ultra-nationalist,racist, sexist, and anti-civil rights.

Wrong direction.They are the "left" in this country.They encourage private ownership,and government control of same.Fascism in its truest form is, in and of itself, counter-productive in fact and in form.This"dribble" about "the cororate state" is juat that,nothing more.One only needs to view past history,to see how it worked out.