If Jesus Was A True Historical Person, Why Did The Roman Church Make Up There Own Evidence?

Don't forget the Shroud of Turin, which has been classified (scientifically!) as a fake.

Relics are often created to bolster beliefs. Nothing new.

Let's start with the resurrection story. When angels rolled back the stone and Christ ascended out of the tomb, the Jewish leaders paid the soldiers to tell a lie about what happened. They started the story that the disciples rolled the stone away and stole the body so that they could claim Jesus had risen. From there it got worse. The authorities intentionally squashed any story about Jesus that would tend to verify and validate His life and work. This is what wicked people do. It is there modus operandi. Thus, the works of the apostles and other disciples were secreted for ages until it was safe to compile them. By then, the lies had spread far and wide to cast doubt on all the disciples stories.

So the question is who made up what? I believe that the government and the historians made up a lot of stories to debunk the truths of Christ. The same goes on today, evil people continue to scorn the truth and spread lies about what happened.

And many more, has been proven to be falsified by the church, and also too late to be reliable 1st century confirmations of jesus life since they were written in the 2nd and 4th centuries.

Requirements: Provide backup or support for the 'proven to be falsified by the church' and how it was done.

More: The Shroud of Turin report was updated and now authenticated as true Body of Christ on Jan 21/09.

Josephus was a ruler of that time he wrote of Jesus from Nazareth as a man the people seemed to take to and call the christ.

This is prove of his existence from outside of the bible yes some people may have change the wording around a bit of the letter to make it more convincing but all the same it still mentioned Jesus.

Also the bible was written later on after Jesus was crucified by the disciples and you know why because the romans would not allow any one to mention the name of Jesus or write or teach in his name the disciples where killed for denying the romans and preaching in his name and writing about him later. One of the disciples was on record as of being crucified up side down because he did not feel worthy to be killed the same way as his saviour.

There is prove of the rulers of the time and others that are mentioned in the bible that the disciples wrote of so they must be real and if they are real why would they die for someone who was not real and be crucified for believing in Jesus if he never existed

How do you know that Paul only knew about the "Magical Jesus". A preacher preaches what he thinks is important. I'm sure Jesus went to the toilet everyday but people don't preach about that. They don't consider it to be important. Does it mean they don't know about it because they don't preach it?

Which four gospels are you referring too. There are more than four gospels.

If I write a book about Henry VIII now, is that book invalid? Are modern history books all a waste of time because they write about events hundreds and in some cases thousands of years ago. Are papers on evolution useless because they reference material that is millions of years old? You don't know what sources people used to write documents in the 2nd and 4th centuries. Just because we don't have their source documents now, doesn't mean they didn't exist. We only have a minuscule amount of documents produced from years ago. Most have been destroyed over the years.

Just because documents were written in the 2nd and 4th centuries doesn't mean they aren't copies of earlier documents. How often is the Bible re-translated and released? They didn't have photo copiers in the 2nd century. The only way to reproduce documents was to write them out in hand again. Do you think they wouldn't update the language to suite current usage?

Please allow me to make a couple of points for you in association with your question.

1) The Roman Catholic church was founded by the Roman emperor Constantine who was a man and although he had converted to Christianity, he also abused his power as a leader to embellish the facts in order to convince his subjects that conversion was a good and right thing to do.

2) I now ask you to take a look at the first 4 books of the New Testament. Who were they written by? Matthew, Mark, Luke , and John. These men were with Jesus as his apostles and gave a complete and accurate account of the life, death, ressurection, and ascension of Jesus Christ, therefore, your statement of no historical information about Jesus isn't quite accurate. All of these books were written between 4 B.C. and 33 A.D. and please take notice that was all during the life of Christ.

3) As to the other books in the New Testament, many of the apostles were young men at the time they were with Jesus and the dates that they were written are appropriate for a standard life span of humans, with the latest date being from John the youngest apostle between 95 and 96 A.D. This apostle was blessed to have lived a very long life, unlike the others that had been killed or were already older men during the life of Jesus while on earth.

4) Lastly, almost all of denominations I feel, did not read the testaments completely and chose to add to their doctrine. This is contrary to the warning in the Book of Revelation, chapter 22 verses 18 and 19.

WRONG!

In the most sincere honesty; please, let us reason together!? Shall we?

First of all, Roman Catholicism IS NOT true Christianity. Period! ((((look at their history and see a plethora of fulfilled prophecy, look at the bloodshed, the 'holy wars', Inquisition, Crusades))) These were ALL done by the RCC. So, now that this FACT is covered, we can move on; knowing that we shall not trust ANYTHING that whore church has ever said or done. Her day of reckoning is soon upon us.

Next, think about John the Revelator for instance. He was exiled to Patmos. Probably didnt have the best of prison accommodations for writing scripture, and delivery of Pauline Letters understandably took some time to deliver to their respective churches. We think in terms of how close the world is today, in terms of driving from Thyatira to Pergamos, from Philadelphia to Athens, from Gaza to Syria....point is this: mode of delivery was a long journey, painfully full of many pit-stops for persecution. ((It's in the book, you can read it in the NT)).

Yeshua of Nazareth fulfilled with absolute accuracy and perfect execution ALL of the Old Testament Prophecies concerning His birth, life, death, resurrection and hundreds of witnesses who saw Him in His resurrected state BEFORE He ascended to the Father, more than forty days later. The references you listed, notably Josephus; speak very clearly of the truth of Christ's very existence....so I do not understand why you listed some of these sources to dare say Yeshua was not here 2K years ago?

Besides, the blessing comes by living by FAITH. We are blessed greatly for believing without seeing; as opposed to getting a bunch of historical proof, then haphazardly, just sort of, finally deciding that YES! Yeshua is REAL.

When the Holy Spirit illuminates your heart and mind; you will know beyond any shadow of a doubt, that you need a Savior, that Yeshua IS YHWH incarnate, died and risen, and you will receive HIM by confessing that HE is LORD and SAVIOR, and by repenting of your known sins. THIS is how the process goes; this is scriptural. You don't call Him~ HE CALLS YOU. And then you will know; and DOUBT will be just a memory.

I pray you receive Him when HE quickens your spirit!

In Christ Alone,

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People want to hear a coherent story, the church gave it to them, in a version they preferred. As long as they don't change the essence of the message, there is no harm. Also, internet didn't exist back then; people weren't big on recording things in writing and factual accuracy was (luckily) not held in high esteem in spiritual matters

Why did the evidence of the existence of life many millions of years later accepted as truth through the fossils excavated and written about many millions of years later? Are there fanatics of doubt and unbelief. Is atheism about quering and doubting Jesus and the bible, or is there a time when they acknowledge bible and Jesus Christ truth?

Trying to reconstruct the historical Jesus from the gospels is like reconstructing the historical Chuck Norris from Chuck Norris jokes.