When will the Palestinians accept Israel's request of establishing a Palestinian state?

It will be done but not under the nazi rule.

If I were a Palestinian guy, I would like to have the mightiest Army force prepped at my disposal.

Locked and Loaded 24/7/.

Only that way I could kick out of Palestine the bad guys.

I would not worry tho, since these bad guys are used to get their butts kicked out of each and every galaxy they tried to set their little feet on.

From the East to the West.

The Machine

EDIT--- Is the name "Netanyahu" for real?

I mean what kind of a name is that?

Wow, what an absolutely ridiculous piece of fiction you got going there.

That was not the terms, and you know it.

The terms were

1- The Palestinian state would not be allowed a military

2- they wouldn't have control over their own air space, and Israel can feel free to fly over it with whatever they wish.

3- No right of return for Palestinian refugees

4- If Palestine signed any treaties with countries Israel deemed as their enemies, this would be considered an act of war

no mention was made of whether or not Israel would continue to divert the natural resources from Palestine into Israel, I am guessing they probably would. Also, according to the last 'offer' of a state, Israel would not allow Palestine control of their own trade borders, I am assuming that will not change either.

Also, lets not lie, Netanyahu doesn't and never has wanted a two state solution, hence this really rubbish 'offer;' that anyone would be mad to accept. It was designed for failure. Lucky for us, the world isn't stupid, and they will see this for what it is. Only the ignorant and biased will consider this a legitimate 'offer'.

Ask yourself this, had this been the offer for Israel to start a state, would they have accepted it? I think not!

-------I'm sorry Al. but I think you are delusional. Israel loves their pre-emptive strikes, they do it all the time. I would call that attacking first.

------to the person below me, excuse me, Palestinians are very hard workers. They are also among the highest educated Arabs. You know, the Nazis used to say that the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto were shiftless and lazy, but their businesses were taken away, the Poles were not allowed to employ them, then when they were used as forced labour when they were starving, they said they were layabouts because they were too weak to work. You sound just like them. The Palestinians homes and businesses are bulldozed, they were bombed to smithereens, and have no where to live, let alone work. The people of the West bank have lost homes and jobs and farms to the other side of the wall, when Israel annexed even more land. You are being purposely obtuse, and insulting.

------How about Egypt and Syria? Both pre-emptive. You can make all the excuses you like, but Israel still attacked first. Would you accept it if someone attacked Israel because they have Nuclear weapons, and they had reason to believe Israel would attack them first? No, you wouldn't. Israel took the opportunity to strike Egypt because many Egyptian troops were engaged in Yemen at the time. If you want to argue about the troops at the border, they were there as a precaution. Either way you look at it, Israel struck first.

@ Sabrina Exactly! you unwittingly hit the nail on the head! Thanks mate!

By the way, this is what she said, in case she decides to change it: 'What? Since when does Israel want a Palestinian state?' And she speaks the truth believe it or not lol

Well, I think the West Bank settlements are counterproductive and should be abandoned. That might seem to be contradicted by the experience in Gaza. Withdraw settlements, Hamas takes advantage. Yes, that is what they try to do. Of course it's take advantage, get hit back. Both sides claim to have a right to more of the other. I think we should set the U.N.'s 1949 decision as being the answer to how to balance these claims. Making Palestine a fully independent country works both ways. It gives Palestinians the opportunity to make it the nicest, most prosperous, peaceful country they can build. It gives Palestine collective responsibility for breaches of the peace and the opportunity to have it turned back to squalor if they choose that.

That's how I think it should work. I don't think it will happen soon.

The Palestinian leaders are caring about the people, by refusing to accept Israels' terms. Do you know what kind of problems would occur, with a Palestinian state, that has no means of defense, next to the biggest threat in the Middle East. What right does Israel even have, to decide that the Palestinians can't be armed? It's not a simple demand, asking the Palestinians to recognize the occupier and then hand over all weapons. The Palestinians will accept Israels' "request" when Israel stops making stupid demands.

Netanyahu's idea of a "Palestinian Independent State" amounts to little more than an open-air prison. Are you so naive to think otherwise? Or is this just more cynical propaganda? Are you in fact a Political Science Major?

Anyway, "46 Days to Hols" gave a fantastic answer - she described Israel to a tee.

EDIT: In answer to your question. The right to self-defense, the freedom to associate with whomever they want - these are fundamental rights for a sovereign state. Free to go wherever they want? Netanyahu's position has been that Israel will retain control of all land borders. In maintaining a de-militarized Palestine strict border controls would need to be in place - what kind of sovereign nation can't even control it's own borders? The "no closed airspace" clause also implied control of all electronic communications (this has always been Netanyahu's position - check it out if you don't believe me). Netanyahu is laying out the groundwork for a prison yard, not a nation.

"He said nothing about closed borders" - ask yourself how the objectives he set out could be achieved without closed borders? Read what he said before the election - he specifically said Israel would retain control of the borders.

Your facts are incorrect.

"The peak of this process was in Camp david 2000 summit when Palestinians were offered the West Bank, Gaza and east Jerusalem and rejected it"

No. The Israelis did not agree to hand over any of east Jerusalem. Barak's position was to make "Jerusalem wider and stronger than at any time in any previous time in the history of the city".

He also spoke of 'annexing to Jerusalem cities within the West Bank beyond the '67 border, like Maale Adumin and Givat Ze'ev and Gush Etzion' so not all the West Bank was being offered.

Please justify your claims.

Jordan was created from 80odd% of the pre WW1 palestine. If that is not a Palestinian state, I don't know what is

Priminister Netanyahu requires the Palestinians to disarm, does not want to quit occupation of Arab East Jerusalem, wishes to keep border definitions open,wants to continue electronic surveillance, refuses the Palestinian's "RIGHT to return, and, does NOT want to stop expansion of Jewish ONLY settlements-basically empty words-he is saying disarm the Palestinians, the Jewish settlers can expand at will, even with deadly force, leaving the Palestinians DEFENSELESS against murderous Jewish expansion.

I guarantee you if the Israelies were doing to the US what they are doing to the Palestinians, the US would shoot something many times STRONGER than homemade missles and Israel would NOT be murdering Americans, and, stealing our land.

BOTTOMLINE: Israel needs to withdraw TOTALLY from the West Bank and Gaza strips and to recognize the Palestinians.

Whether the Hamas have in their charter to recognize Israel or not, plain fact is, it is the Israelies, whose actions speak louder than words-eliminate Palestinians, steal their land. Every major Arab-Israeli conflict starting with Israel's formation was STARTED by the Jews and/or Israel, including some covert operations-suez canal. Following the overthrow of King Farouk of Egypt by the free officers headed by Naguib and Nasser, Egypt made some moves toward peace with Israel. In 1954, an Israeli spy ring was caught trying to blow up the US Information agency and other foreign institutions in Egypt. The goal was to create tension between the US and Egypt and prevent rapprochement. In Israel, both Defense Minister Pinhas Lavon and Prime Minister David Ben Gurion disclaimed responsibility for the action, and blamed each other. This incident came to be known variously as "the Lavon affair" and "the shameful business." The 6-day War was started by Israel-they like to call it a PREEMPTIVE strike to justify it.

Let the Jewish leaders speak for themselves-Jewish leaders, take the floor:

"The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.

David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"

"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.

"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.

"Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine, Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.

"The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Israeli Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

ISRAELIE BRUTALITY(WARNING: Some scenes VERY graphic):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/10659472@N02/

In order for the state to be Palestinian it would have to be controlled by Palestinians and of course that offer has not yet been put on the table. Under no terms will Palestinians submit to Israeli rule, they have faught way to long and hard to accept anything less than justice.

They would be total fools to disarm. Just look at what happened to Iraq. Iran and North Korea have the right idea for their survival. Palestinians are not stoopid. If they disarm, faster than you say "Caterpillar" Israeli settlements will pop up everywhere and Palestinians will again be forced to find places to live.