Jesus - God or his Son?

God, by title, act, and deed. Son by relationship. They are not the same (despite Trinity teachings).

"Science is now used to replace faith and imagination with truth and evidence." Science has become a religion unto itself and will be defended just as vigorously, using the same techniques, as the most fervent religious person. The thumbs down will speak for themselves (LOL).

Edit Add: With my Celt and Pict ancestry, I appreciate the ancient beliefs of my ancestors and find myself relating to things of fantasy. I also strongly believe in science and what the theories (which explain what we observe and are supported by reproducible results of testing) can do for us. At the same time, I have personal experiences that go beyond the empirical nature of science and give me reason to walk the path I do. A large part of it is my moderate nature because I tend to see things differently than a lot of people. I am well aware of the shades of gray that exist in the world and that those gray areas give the absolutists a lot of trouble. Nothing is perfect in nature, but it all works perfectly together, even evolution, whether caused by nature, man, or deity.

You seem to be asking two different question here :D

Well the first question on whether Jesus is God or his Son really depends on who you ask. For those outside of Christianity he is either a prophet one of many mentioned in the Bible for others he is simply a wise man.

In Christianity it's a very layered question right from the beginning there was debate over who/what Jesus was. He was supposed to be (as I understand it but I could be wrong) the physical manifestation of God upon the earth. So technically he is supposed to be both the Gods son and God himself. Although again it depends on who you talk to.

The second question is : "Why don't you realise you're using your lives to follow a character in a book?"

Well I'm not Christian and I have no real resources to back up what I say but this is how I feel personally : People may be following a fictitious character in a book but if it brings them strength and joy in their life than surely that matters more than if it were true (and I'm talking of every day people not terrorists etc).

Truth is subjective even in the case of science, you looked into science and saw no God but I looked at science and saw a million things that indicated the divine.

For a start the sheer astromical chances that had to happen in the universe simply for me to be here at this time. The fact that the charge of a neutron is such that it creates life, when the first humans left Africa and spread across the world they were so close to death only for climate changes and luck to save them.

For you obviously the amount of coincidences matters little because for you they will remain that, coincidences with no higher cause and that could be true for all I know.

You say that Religion has no place now that the laws/morals are in place but I don't think that's true either. What of personal morality? The choices that people make every day on small things such as what to say to people.

"Science and is now used to replace faith and imagination with truth and evidence" I think if that was the case this would not be a world I would want to live in. No imagination? No more art or stories? Have you seen a church or the Egyptian temples, Stone Henge? These are beautiful things and they've all been inspired by peoples religious beliefs.

In fact the first scientists were motivated by their religious beliefs, Newton was a Christian. The search for truth does not necessarily cancel out the belief in God.

Perhaps the fact that you find some religious concepts hard to understand has made you dubious to religion and that's entirely normal. Changing your life on something you can't understand is difficult and for some impossible.

Religion has been a part of man's history for so long, as long as we've buried the dead one of my teachers used to say that belief is a fundamental part of being human.

You say there is a fundamental universal truth, so do Christians surprisingly. I say that there comes a point where there isn't. I've always viewed people like flowers in that some bloom under science, others under Budda, or Jesus, or Mohammed etc.

What matters more that we all agree or we don't and are happy? (I'm talking of a personal happiness and again I am aware that there are many who use their religious beliefs to justify terrible things but they are a small minority of a religion)

"Christ says, “The Father is in the Son, and the Son is in the Father.” Was Christ within God, or God within Christ? No, in the name of God! On the contrary, this is an intellectual state which is expressed in a sensible figure.

We come to the explanation of the words of Bahá’u’lláh when He says: “O king! I was but a man like others, asleep upon My couch, when lo, the breezes of the All-Glorious were wafted over Me, and taught Me the knowledge of all that hath been. This thing is not from Me, but from One Who is Almighty and All-Knowing.” 2 This is the state of manifestation: it is not sensible; it is an intellectual reality, exempt and freed from time, from past, present and future; it is an explanation, a simile, a metaphor and is not to be accepted literally; it is not a state that can be comprehended by man. Sleeping and waking is passing from one state to another. Sleeping is the condition of repose, and wakefulness is the condition of movement. Sleeping is the state of silence; wakefulness is the state of speech. Sleeping is the state of mystery; wakefulness is the state of manifestation.

For example, it is a Persian and Arabic expression to say that the earth was asleep, and the spring came, and it awoke; or the earth was dead, and the spring came, and it revived. These expressions are metaphors, allegories, mystic explanations in the world of signification.

Briefly, the Holy Manifestations have ever been, and ever will be, Luminous Realities; no change or variation 86 takes place in Their essence. Before declaring Their manifestation, They are silent and quiet like a sleeper, and after Their manifestation, They speak and are illuminated, like one who is awake."

That "character in a book" does things different than other people. He did things; even was born different than any one else on the planet.

Jesus, according to that book, has something going on right now which convinces some of us that He is both God and God's Son at the same time. Defying Aristotelian logic.

The scientists I have talked to do not compete with religion. They are apart from it in their studies. They have communicated the separation between their field of study from religious, and some of them are "religious."

that is incorrect science has nothing to do with faith and truth and evidence

it is a made up theory of men to explain how we came to be to replace God. There is no truth in any of it.

Jesus is real and died to save all mankind from sin.

call on him before it is too late.

Yes, science provides facts, and science is truth.....

But does science replace Spirituality?

I don't think so.

He is Neither GOD nor his SON. He is simply the prophet or messenger of god. Christians believe Jesus came for Jews to guide them in right path. unfortunately they misunderstood him and took him as god after seeing his miracles, and now why christians don't believe in Prophet Mohammed who came for Christians and tried to guide humans to a right direction. so Jesus is one of the prophets like Abraham, Mohammed...

a messenger a holy soul who was sent to this earth with some messages for mankind in the form of Bible but not all........

If he is God almighty and Son of God almighty ...is he his own father???....considering that there is only one God almighty??

the bible don't says he is his own father...so he is not God almighty

I SAY SON, ITS GODS INCARNATION ON EARTH OR WAS HIS INCARNATION